What if it’s all about...

[CosmicWonder]

Heyy,

Everyone seems to be assuming that the law of attraction is about energy, but what if it’s for example all about choices? Or something else I can’t think of right now.

How would the smallest amount of consciousness set it’s life in motion? How would the biggest amount of consciousness do it?

Any thoughts on this matter? Any alternatives? Any reasons to think so?

I guess it’s all about learning what is best for you in a restricted and “safe” environment. That since I can’t deliberately manifest hurtful things or things I have learned are bad for me.

Probably best not to put too much faith in the Law of Attraction. One of its tenets is bogus at the outset:

Like attracts like.

If true then it's the only thing in the cosmos that does. Opposites attract because in doing so, equilibrium is tended towards if not achieved.

It'll work in VERY limited cases. Frinstance, if you want to meet optimistic people you have to be optimistic yourself. A pessimist won't attract optimists unless they're also therapists.

Which isn't of course to say be the opposite of what you want - like you want material abundance so get yourself as poor as possible!! Just think in terms of what you think you want then affirm along with meditative visualisation, working out scenes and maps about how you can achieve what you must.

At least one author and peddler of L of A has got extremely rich on selling books that he doesn't actually believe himself.
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[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Probably best not to put too much faith in the Law of Attraction. One of its tenets is bogus at the outset:

Like attracts like.

If true then it's the only thing in the cosmos that does. Opposites attract because in doing so, equilibrium is tended towards if not achieved.

It'll work in VERY limited cases. Frinstance, if you want to meet optimistic people you have to be optimistic yourself. A pessimist won't attract optimists unless they're also therapists.

Which isn't of course to say be the opposite of what you want - like you want material abundance so get yourself as poor as possible!! Just think in terms of what you think you want then affirm along with meditative visualisation, working out scenes and maps about how you can achieve what you must.

An interesting question. We take two magnets and we see that opposite poles attract each other, thus demonstrating that opposites attract.

But in human activities it is hard to see opposites attracting to create equilibrium. If you put someone on the political right with someone on the political left you do not end up with two people in the political centre. You are more likely to end up with arguments, thus demonstrating repulsion rather than attraction.

Like attracts like seems to make more sense.

From one website: The law of sympathy is one of the most basic parts of magic. It states that the more similar two objects are the greater the sympathetic link. The greater the sympathetic link, the more easily they influence each other.

And another website: We magnetically attract circumstances, events and people that are in harmony with our dominant thoughts, emotions and patterns of self-talk.

The attraction of opposites is based on polarity. The attraction of similars is based on resonance. Perhaps both are true, under different conditions. Opposites attract, and also like attracts like. A bit of a paradox.

Peace

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by iamthat

And another website: We magnetically attract circumstances, events and
people that are in harmony with our dominant thoughts, emotions and patterns of self-talk.

Thank you for caring enough and taking the time for your whole post, buddy.

Originally Posted by iamthat

An interesting question. We take two magnets and we see that opposite poles attract each other, thus demonstrating that opposites attract.

But in human activities it is hard to see opposites attracting to create equilibrium. If you put someone on the political right with someone on the political left you do not end up with two people in the political centre. You are more likely to end up with arguments, thus demonstrating repulsion rather than attraction.

Like attracts like seems to make more sense.

From one website: The law of sympathy is one of the most basic parts of magic. It states that the more similar two objects are the greater the sympathetic link. The greater the sympathetic link, the more easily they influence each other.

And another website: We magnetically attract circumstances, events and people that are in harmony with our dominant thoughts, emotions and patterns of self-talk.

The attraction of opposites is based on polarity. The attraction of similars is based on resonance. Perhaps both are true, under different conditions. Opposites attract, and also like attracts like. A bit of a paradox.

Peace

Also an interesting "question". Times I've attracted or been attracted to someone very like-minded in tastes, emotions and on, it got very boring very quickly. Though we could act "as one" it seemed (for both of us) as if we were acting with someone hanging on the whole time. Your picture of political opposites kind of holds good but they could still attract one another by way of their differences. The outcome need not be good. Perhaps they'd try to convert the other to their thinking; perhaps they'd quarrel and give up. But the opposites were the initial attracting force. And you often read here that someone passive has managed to attract someone the opposite. It hasn't worked out but....

You're right about sympathetic vibration but it takes one to do the oscillating so the other can resonate. Electrical transformers work like this by induction. So do pendulums. I wouldn't personally call that attraction, though.

The trouble for me is that these charlatans call their ideas "Laws" which they patently aren't. The moment I see such-and-such-spiritual "law" my bullometer hits a high reading. They probably use the term to lend authority to their blurb because it hints at some scientific classification which turns out to be quite illusory.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Also an interesting "question". Times I've attracted or been attracted to someone very like-minded in tastes, emotions and on, it got very boring very quickly. Though we could act "as one" it seemed (for both of us) as if we were acting with someone hanging on the whole time. Your picture of political opposites kind of holds good but they could still attract one another by way of their differences. The outcome need not be good. Perhaps they'd try to convert the other to their thinking; perhaps they'd quarrel and give up. But the opposites were the initial attracting force. And you often read here that someone passive has managed to attract someone the opposite. It hasn't worked out but....

Yes, in human relationships we may see couples who are completely different as people and we might wonder how they ever got together. For example, one is an introvert and the other is an extravert. Or one is organised and methodical while the other is spontaneous and disorganised. In such cases I believe that someone is drawn to a person who expresses the qualities which they lack. They may combine well, or the differences which were at first attractive end up becoming frustrating. Such a relationship can be a big learning experience.

And you mention someone passive attracting the opposite. Such a person may have become passive in response to a domineering parent, and then they marry someone equally domineering. In these cases I think that the dominant partner provides lessons for the passive partner to resolve their parental issues. If the marriage ends before the issues have been resolved then the passive person ends up with another domineering partner. But if the passive person can resolve their issues then they can move on to a more suitable partner. Life seems to work so that we get what we need. Of course, these are just general examples.

Peace

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

The trouble for me is that these charlatans call their ideas "Laws" which they patently aren't. The moment I see such-and-such-spiritual "law" my bullometer hits a high reading. They probably use the term to lend authority to their blurb because it hints at some scientific classification which turns out to be quite illusory.

There is truth in this and I have been pondering on this. Perhaps we have to differentiate between physical laws and metaphysical laws.

Physical laws are those laws governing the physical universe which have been proven by science, such as Newton's laws or Ohm's law. They are objective and measurable - ten different people could do the same experiment and get the same result. No doubt there are physical laws which have yet to be discovered, so perhaps one day phenomena such as levitation will be acknowledged as a reality.

Metaphysical laws may be considered as principles which apply to the non-physical and which may produce results in the physical, such as the Law of Attraction. These are more subjective and less measurable - ten different people could try the same experiment to manifest something with widely varying results. Those who succeed will say that the Law of Attraction works. Those who fail will say that the Law of Attraction is nonsense.

It may be that the Law of Attraction is a genuine principle but not everyone has learned to apply it successfully. So can we still call it a law? If the theory is correct then yes, I think we can. Humans just have to improve their ability to apply it in practice.

Peace

[paragon]

I'm glad to see some healthy discussion on these forums. I thought I was going to be a fish out of water for questioning the LoA. Here are some thoughts I had while reading this thread:

Originally Posted by iamthat

The attraction of opposites is based on polarity. The attraction of similars is based on resonance. Perhaps both are true, under different conditions. Opposites attract, and also like attracts like. A bit of a paradox.
Peace

I think it's a mistake to conflate resonance and attraction. LoA advocates often use the example of one tuning fork resonating in sympathy with another placed nearby, as long as the two are tuned to the same frequency. But note that the tuning forks are not attracted to each other like magnets are - they only resonate in sympathy. Similarly, a radio tuned to 100.00mhz does not attract signals broadcasting at that frequency, but only resonates with signals that are already broadcasting within its reception area.

Wouldn't it then be more consistent with the evidence to assume that life is a seemingly random* stream of events and people, and that of the things that come our way, we resonate with some and not others? Or perhaps like the original poster suggested, the whole resonance concept is completely redundant and we simply make choices. This seems far more consistent with my observations of the world. I could mention a million examples, but I'll save you the other 999,999 and just mention this one: people are always attracted to amicable souls. Even the most hard-hearted, vicious person would still rather spend time with a kind soul. Despite this, they may find themselves surrounded by their own kind, but based on the choices model - is that really surprising? Who would choose to be around a vicious person, unless their only other option was solitude, or they had some issues to work out?

(*I say "seemingly random" in the sense that it's beyond our ability to formularise it. I certainly hope it is strictly controlled by some all-knowing intelligence and not by a cosmic monkey haphazardly smashing buttons at a giant control panel.)

Either way, I can't abide the idea of a universe that's strictly governed by laws. To me it seems like a post-enlightenment attempt to apply the scientific method to matters far beyond the scope of science. And if the universe really were that scientific, then what part does God/our higher self play in the unfolding of our lives? Did he just create this incomprehensible, ingenious Machine on the first day, set it in motion like a giant Rube-Goldberg contraption, then put his feet up?

LoA is, to me, like any organised religion - people observe certain tendencies, decide they've got it all figured out to a formula, then preach it to others as though it's ineffable truth. As another poster mentioned, Jesus put it much more simply and never implied the existence of a law: ask your Higher Self, then believe in order to receive - because part of what we're here to learn is faith and trust. But this, of course, is unpalatable to post-enlightenment minds who prefer to believe that everything is explainable by science, even that which lies beyond the created physical plane!

Thank you very much for reading.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by realizefun

Heyy, Everyone seems to be assuming that the law of attraction is about energy,
but what if it’s for example all about choices? Or something else I can’t think of right now.

Any thoughts on this matter? Any alternatives? Any reasons to think so?

I don't think of LOA as an energy.
I think we were created as co-creators...what I believe effects what happens...always has -
I see it working in my life everyday. That's what Jesus taught.

Believe concretely, 100% you will get that job, for example, and you will.
Others disagree, I know ---but it has worked for me...the ''100%, no doubt" part,
is the key.

[iamthat]

Agree with Miss H that we are all creators. There is a creative force flowing through each one of us - how that creative force manifests depends on the filters of our mind and emotions. The more clear the filters, the less distorted are our manifestations.

Originally Posted by realizefun

How would the smallest amount of consciousness set it’s life in motion? How would the biggest amount of consciousness do it?

As an example, someone decides they want a new car.

1) The smallest amount of consciousness may look at their bank balance and the price of cars. They decide they can never afford a new car so they make do with the old one. They have blocked the creative process.

2) The average consciousness will consider ways to save and ways to borrow to generate the money needed for a new car. Then they go out and get the car they want and spend the next three years paying for it. People do this all the time - it is still manifestation.

3) A greater consciousness may decide they want a new car so they enter a competition and win first prize of a new car. Of course, there may be other factors involved - winning the lottery does not prove someone has a greater consciousness.

4) A still greater consciousness may simply decide that they want a new car so they put out the intention and then somehow a new car manifests in their life.

The density of the physical plane means that there is a natural resistance. Manifestation requires that we overcome this resistance. The greater the consciousness, the less time is required to manifest.

Peace