pictures speak volumes

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I was getting ready to start a separate thread. And although I may be going off topic somewhat, it all connects with what some believe/or say they believe, while in their heart, feel different. I follow the Christian path in a very unorthodox fashion. I also believe that Jesus was the must enlightened person to ever walk the earth.

I apologize if the pics are sorta unorganized...Here goes

Here we have (in no particular order) An elderly muslim man smiling into the camera. Some elderly Hindu women selling goods at a market. The lady laughing joyfully is also Hindu. The Shintus are in the pic with the umbrellas. In addition, we also have orthodox jews praying, and a group of muslim women.





What do these people have in common? Some say that they will all suffer eternal unending torment. Worse than anything the human heart and mind can imagine...I ask you this. What does God get out of this? Does God hold weak human emotions such as jealousy, revenge, etc?

In addition to the pics above, we must also include all the Jews killed in the holocaust. They went straight from that nightmare into an eternal one? I hardly think so. We must not leave out most of the citizens killed in Japan recently as they also follow Shintuism at around 90%.

For me, I cannot wrap my brain around this kind of cruelty and destruction. It makes no sense to me that God would do so, simply for one seeking God in their own special way. If I am to follow the Christian path and follow Jesus, I have to do so beleiving that there is a lot of Dogma and nontruths. I cannot praise God while holding this beleif. It is at odds with my soul.

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Interesting you should post this now... I was just thinking of posting something similar. A directly related question is:

"Is Gandhi in Hell?"

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Originally Posted by Triner

Interesting you should post this now... I was just thinking of posting something similar. A directly related question is:

"Is Gandhi in Hell?"

According to Christanity...yes! Not only yes, but a resounding yes! How does this speak to you?

We must not forget every other soul on this planet that seeks God in another way. And all those before Christ get a free pass. Another thing I find even more troubling is within Christianity, we have no choice as to be created. We did not come here on our own free will. Yet, no matter what your circumstance, you must find the one narrow path or be lost forever. You could be lucky and be born in America or Ireland which are overwhelmingly Christian...Or be born in Pakistan or India which are primarily Muslim and Hindu respectively. Luck of the draw I guess.

Greetings..

Love, bought with promises of good (heaven), or coerced by fear (hell), is not true Love.. heaven and hell are cultural beliefs based on guilt and myth.. Life is an evolving process, and we are just passin' through the physical cycle (kinda like the rinse cycle on washing machines)..

Be well..

[Triner]

Originally Posted by Triner

Interesting you should post this now... I was just thinking of posting something similar. A directly related question is:

"Is Gandhi in Hell?"

Before anybody assumes otherwise, I think the answer to this is an emphatic NO (I don't even think there's a hell). It's a question for Christian fundamentalists to answer.

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Fundies may believe that everybody else is going to a place of torment everlasting, but what I like to call your standard christian if you could be a fly on the wall listening to a couple of these standard christians talk about this subject, they'd probably say naaaaah, I don't believe everyone else goes to Hell! That couldn't possibly be! I think fundies are woefully misled and allow themselves to be misled to believe things that don't make a lot of sense. And I'm sorry that they tend to make the lot of us 'look bad'.

There are a couple of quotes I find interesting from Gandhi,

Gandhi had said, that the cross was the most unexplainable thing and unparalleled. And too he said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Whose to say that Gandhi never accepted Christ?

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Originally Posted by Shim

There are a couple of quotes I find interesting from Gandhi,

Gandhi had said, that the cross was the most unexplainable thing and unparalleled. And too he said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Whose to say that Gandhi never accepted Christ?

Gandhi knew better to not except the Christ as a man but as his true inner Being, or SELF, as he would also have excepted Krishna, or the Buddha as his inner Consciousness.

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Originally Posted by psychoslice

Gandhi knew better to not except the Christ as a man but as his true inner Being, or SELF, as he would also have excepted Krishna, or the Buddha as his inner Consciousness.

I respect you slice, but I don't think it's anyone's place to speak for Gandhi unless you studied something somewhere reliable that could be verified.

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Originally Posted by Shim

There are a couple of quotes I find interesting from Gandhi,

Gandhi had said, that the cross was the most unexplainable thing and unparalleled. And too he said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Whose to say that Gandhi never accepted Christ?

Nice non-answer. Gandhi was a practicing Hindu all of this life. But he viewed all religions as being equal. At one point when asked if he was a Hindu he replied, "Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew." Friends of his tried to get him to convert but he would not, saying "God has no religion".

Can you answer the question: "Is Gandhi in Hell?", or "Or all of the Buddhist monks in Tibet and Nepal who spent their lives praying for peace in Hell?" or "Is my friend from Kenya's Grandmother, who spent her life healing people in her tribe and giving away her food to those in need, in Hell?" or, "Are all of those people in the pictures Guard posted going to Hell?"