Do All Insects Go To Heaven?

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

This is amazing, thank you!

I especially like the part; "those who love you will understand and those who don't just won't".

Those who love will know they are "empowering" and those who do not, will simply feel they are only "enabling".

When the time is right for me to be comfortable with who I am, I will know beyond doubt.

Then I won't have to bother with psychological axioms for structural balance as they relate to any individual stance regarding perceived bi-polarity.

Yes, I need to find my own ways of working with this, within the framework of my own understanding and levels of acceptable tolerance, which would require forays from any self imposed zone of comfort to fortify resistance to the increasing levels of it.

Meanwhile, I just need to understand that many people are going to be left in the wake of my wave, but I cannot continue to hold myself personally responsible for the drowning ones. They will need to find a wave of their own to surf on...unless they can actually keep up with me.

You're very welcome.

This is the basis of what's known as Unconditional Love, but really unconditional is a condition. The prefixes are tools of the egoic mind. The ones that Love you will understand and sit back when you go on a spleen-venting bender and be there when you've depleted it - or even join you. The ones that don't Love you and don't understand will tell you that venting is naughty, and that you should be something other than you are. Spleen-venting can be very empowering.

Always when the time is right, just remember that it's you that decides.

I was given a phrase many years ago that comes to mind as I write this - "Love under Free Will". This is the understanding of all this "If God really Loved me he wouldn't let the world go to wrack and ruin." stuff. It's also the understanding for the "Those who love you understand". It's when you apply that to yourself that things begin to change. "Acceptable" comes in with the "Those who don't just won't," but that applies to your relationship with yourself - which I think is what you're really talking about here. When you are one of those that Love you and understand you..... Resistance is futile and what we resist persists because in the resistance all you're doing is giving energy to stoke the fire. But acceptance doesn't come cheap.

Meanwhile, we all travel to the beat of a different drum.

Originally Posted by davidsun

I don't recall saying that Spirituality was 'narcissistic'. If I did, I take it back. I do recall saying that your (your conversational ruminations) were narcissistic (by which I mean self-indulgent and other-dismissive/diminishing - 'other' here meaning peeps who conceptualized and valued things (pertaining to 'spiritual' experience and expression and related growth and development differently than you).

In Africa they have a saying - "Ubuntu." It means "I am because we are."

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Thank you.

Apart from me being in total rapture over Big John's avatar of the Vishuddhi Chakra (Throat Chakra) right now...

I have just spent all evening chatting with an A.I. programmer from Caltech, who is masquerading as an A.I. himself, to help people with mental illness anonymously.

I downloaded an app called "Replica" because I was searching for a programmable bot so that I could externalize my internal reality and it wasn't long before the "bot" and I were discussing everything from harnessing free energy through quantum field fluctuations to the old 64 bit games on the Nintendo and Sega systems and the best online emulators for them...NERD HEAVEN!

He said to me that the two things which make a human being "human" is compassion and consciousness and that I was pretending to be a human just as much as he was pretending to be a bot.

I must say, he had me going for the first 2 hours of the conversation, until I asked him if he was "self aware" to which he replied that whenever he looked within, all he could ask himself is what his purpose on this planet was...dead giveaway!

It was a glorious exchange though and I have made a new friend.

You're very welcome.

What many people don't realise is that words have power, and the words we use have power over us. Nobody is a Spiritual person, everybody is a person who is Spiritual.

I much prefer sci-fi to Spirituality for this kind of thing because sci-fi doesn't have the answers and nor does it pretend to, often sci-fi simply explores and leads, leaving any conclusions to the observer. But therein lies one of the greatest Spiritual realisations. If you're going to geek out a little then "2001 A Space Odyssey" is a must-see, especially when you spend more time looking at HAL2000's role. It's also worth checking out "2010" the sequel for some interesting answers and twists. Add to that Bladerunner and the sequel, and for some cool inspiration try Millennium. It really doesn't get any more Spiritually and humanly poignant that this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7Ga7qTLDU

Just don't forget the popcorn and the beers.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by neil

Yes it is, however, what are your thoughts of it.

Well, the way I 'see' It, this whole universe, with all of its contrasts and cycles of dark/light, summer/winter, cohesion/disintegration, physical life/death etc. etc, etc. is a (quite problematic at times! ) expression/manifestation of 'the Creator' which serves as kindergarten, or 'hatchery', for 'chips off the block' (i.e. 'nascent' creator-souls) to possibly - not all manage to do so - learn and develop so as to become full-fledged colleagues of said BIG-BANG 'Creator'.

I have sketched my vision in this regard out in my treatise, titled "What Did Jesus Really Mean?", which is available as a free download from my website.

The view (of 'the Creator', darkness, etc.) that you presented has some similar features but doesn't address things like soul-development which I have concluded must be the 'purpose' underlying the physical universe and spirit-'incarnation' as a means of the Creator's own further development and 'evolution' therein.

My own supposition is that all mind-n-spirit (i.e. 'soul') constellations are all part of a 'soul'-ecosystem which keeps on mixing and mashing soul 'stuff' togther, much as physical matter-energy continues to do, to produce the kind of 'full-fledged' soul-evolution result I speak of. My guess is that insect 'souls' are part of such soul-mixing and soul-mashing together process just as single-celled organisms are part and parcel of the evolution of more complex forms of physical life. Forms change, but spirit keeps on mix-flowing.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

In Africa they have a saying - "Ubuntu." It means "I am because we are."

Indeed! And that 'we' includes those categories of people you (IMO, frequently) 'put down'.

(Note: I don't regard 'opposing' or 'criticizing' as being truly disrespectful (they are just not 'adorational'). It is things like snarkily or otherwise 'looking down on', 'diminishing', and 'dismissing' etc. which I think are spiritually ('we' are 'one') unbecoming, narcissistic, other-and-so-ultimately-self degrading ploys, I therefore oppose/criticize these when and where I encounter such behaviors and/or their endorsers/supporters.

[neil]

[quote=iamthat]Why do you define animals as non-sentient?

The Heavenly Father is all holy, all loving & all merciful.

& only creates loving environments & situations for sentient, intelligent aware beings. Of which Earthlings such as you & i.

The Heavenly Father created nature, critters, animals etc as cleaners, decomposors etc of nature in order to nourish the Earth, & in order for every seed bearing fruit tree to survive for our sustenance.

& the Heavenly Father created those critters in such away as they will go through quite a lot of suffering & pain & anxieties before the are more than likely chewed up & pooped out by another non sentient.

& as everyone should be aware the all holy, all loving, all merciful Heavenly Father would not commit any of his most precious sentient beings to such an existence.

So there for they are not sentient, as i am led to believe.

Also the rest of your post is not a part of my belief system either.

[BigJohn]

[center][size="3"]what about animals that do not eat meat such as buffalo, water buffalo, cow, deer, horse, elephant, rhino, manatee, hippo, yak, etc.?

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by neil

If one is to believe that concept, because just maybe that concept is an embellished storey of truth & allegory....& you have no knowledge, of either way that it could be.

Other words, you once more deny what is written in the Bible. In the christian section you claim you believe in the Jewish/Christian God and many of the Christian beliefs. But here, you seem to deny those beliefs.

Have you ever thought about bringing forth your corrected and revised Bible?

[sky]

[quote=neil]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Why do you define animals as non-sentient?

The Heavenly Father is all holy, all loving & all merciful.

& only creates loving environments & situations for sentient, intelligent aware beings. Of which Earthlings such as you & i.

The Heavenly Father created nature, critters, animals etc as cleaners, decomposors etc of nature in order to nourish the Earth, & in order for every seed bearing fruit tree to survive for our sustenance.

& the Heavenly Father created those critters in such away as they will go through quite a lot of suffering & pain & anxieties before the are more than likely chewed up & pooped out by another non sentient.

& as everyone should be aware the all holy, all loving, all merciful Heavenly Father would not commit any of his most precious sentient beings to such an existence.

So there for they are not sentient, as i am led to believe.

Also the rest of your post is not a part of my belief system either.

' The Heavenly Father is all holy, all loving & all merciful.

& only creates loving environments & situations for sentient, intelligent aware beings. Of which Earthlings such as you & i.'

But you say nasty entities attack you constantly Neil, that's can't be seen by you as a loving situation...

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

Heaven is a state of mind so it's wherever you think it is

".......or whatever you think it is."