the darkness

[davidsun]

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Sorry, but I can't answer you since your questions and propositions make no sense to me. Since I think my brain is functional, I just chalk it up to two ships passing with their radars tuned to different frequencies.

i think you read over. missed what i said.

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

I have experienced and continue to Mentally and Spiritually experience my being-n-doing in the context of the Being-n-Doing of THAT which is All That Is. My 'brain' is intact and functional at present (as far as I can tell ). Intact enough to, despite being 'shocked' by the fact, humorously appreciate that it doesn't appear to be so to you!

perhaps read your last sentence. it illustrates what you have been saying since the discussion began.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by running

i think you read over. missed what i said.

I 'find' your utterances to be a mixture of 'circular' logic and self-'contradiction' ... way too much for me to get a handle on ... I tried ... but its time for me to admit I can't bridge the 'dark' gap between us.

Good luck ...

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

I 'find' your utterances to be a mixture of 'circular' logic and self-'contradiction' ... way too much for me to get a handle on ... I tried ... but its time for me to admit I can't bridge the 'dark' gap between us.

Good luck ...

the addition of whats beyond the normal senses while still retaining the normal senses isn't something to complex to grasp. unless its simply by choice. just as blind people typically believe there is such a thing as sight even though they don't experince such.

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by davidsun

I 'find' your utterances to be a mixture of 'circular' logic and self-'contradiction' ... way too much for me to get a handle on ... I tried ... but its time for me to admit I can't bridge the 'dark' gap between us.

Good luck ...

Surrender to the unknown, when ones striving ends is a beautiful point of letting go. ‘Striving and for ones own reasons’ in this way leads one to the reasons why it never fully eventuates.

The way both you and running are sourcing each other’s understandings is the source. The darkness has nothing to do with it. The gap is light when you the seeker becomes it in those gaps. The bridge is the self aware of its own bridge.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by JustBe

The darkness has nothing to do with it. The gap is light when you the seeker becomes it in those gaps. The bridge is the self aware of its own bridge.

I can 'read' all sorts of things into that. Do say more so I know that you are not just purveying 'glibness'.

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by davidsun

I can 'read' all sorts of things into that. Do say more so I know that you are not just purveying 'glibness'.

Is this what you mean in your asking David?

“I am not understanding you fully, can you elaborate further what you mean?”

.

When I read your response above as with some of your many responses towards others, I’m immediately noticing with ‘you, not understanding’ and ‘striving with a mission to fill others gaps’ the gaps you overlook are your own deeper into the true state being and DOING aware and open to the other without need to fill them yourself. The doing in this way becomes the non doing, discernment and more openly modelling what one just is being and doing.

(Sometimes I notice you read people but your reads are speaking in ways where you become that read itself in ways it impinges your relating and what you could share more open and aware of yourself beyond this type of (almost trapped by)game playing. A read requires one to go deeper into itself and express more open to that read as itself. You may SEE things within the whole context of another they may not see, but seeing the gap of what could be attained through you, requires more than becoming the aspects missing by them, in the relating. It requires you as the action to go deeper into that seeing. Move beyond it. Become that which you see deeper as you.Running is showing you beyond mind, to his place of residency as he experiences himself. I am showing you beyond your sense of what is missing. What gaps you SEE can be filled. Your showing everything but missing the point of everything as you..(your expression is a catalyst of new creation, but it won’t change until you do)

Think of it like this..wasted energy on the external, building that energy as itself. So there is more of you expressed as this. More of you is understood, more of you adds to you. Your ‘offerings’ are less energetically declined and more energetically ‘felt’ as you.



And just for further elaboration..
The action of doing is within being.

The being in action is just being.

All striving externally can be felt clear when your clear in those aspects you seek to fill or build on with another.

This is the awareness of non doing/no doer, aware. This is ‘felt’ ..

The eyes will deceive alone until the eyes and feelings become their own bridge.

[davidsun]

Thank you for your thoughtful and more explanatory of what you 'see', and therefore, 'mean' to communicate reply, JB.

Certainly worth my thinking further about.

For now, however, I 'see' (meaning, based on my philopshy of what incrarnate Life is really about, I think) that your philosophy is unduly polyanna-ish, in that it does not recognize and deal with the psychospiritual reality/ies (they are 'realities' in my view/opinion) which make the gap (darkness) that is the subject in question unbridgeable.

Possibly you can take over the conversation and apply your 'philosophy' (in my view it is a 'philosophy') in ways which result in running seeing what I have (unsuccessively, I admit) been trying to point out to him. On the other hand, you may have no desire to attempt this, just being content with his being and doing as he is and does.

I do appreciate the spirit of your attempt to 'show' me something which would lead to my garnering and functioning in light of greater 'wisdom'.

In closing, ket me say that it also occurs to me that you might benefit from applying what you 'see' as being 'the truth' about 'me' to 'yourself' - the same way you suggest I do in relation to my attempts to 'show' others relevant 'truth'. That 'game' (which I regard as meaningfull - I don't mean to disparage it) continues in more and more sophistcated ways as peeps develop, even at 'level' at which peeps think and feel they are completely spiritually dveloped and 'fully' cognizant - or so it seems to me at least.

[davidsun]

P.S. to JustBe: I hope the fact that my treatise was written with humanity's psychospiritual predicament in heart-and-mind, so the perspectives shared said therein are 'free' of personal (judgmental) reactivity to the persons I am thereby attempting to share my perceptions with, as I did in the 'box'-smugness referencing excerpts I shared in relation to you (among others).