What is the Adam and Eve story about?

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

[color=Black]Hi, NoOne, welcome here!!
I couldn't copy even one sentence to give you all an example or teaser, darnnit.

“The ‘serpent’ represents the coiled-up spinal energy that stimulates the sex nerves. ‘Adam’ is reason, and ‘Eve’ is feeling.
When the emotion or Eve-consciousness in any human being is overpowered by the sex impulse,
his reason or Adam also succumbs.”
“God created the human species by materializing the bodies of man and woman through the force of His will;
He endowed the new species with the power to create children in a similar ‘immaculate’ or divine manner.

Thanks for that Miss Hepburn.

I've read this book many years ago, but I did not recall this part about Yogananda's interpretation of Genesis. I think it is difficult for a Hindu Yogi to interpret Bible stories, because most of them have Sumerian origins and you need to understand the symbolism that comes from that. It was Zecharia Sitchin that first popularised the Sumerian origins of Genesis, which remains true, despite the problematic nature of his translations, which were often poor or entirely made up.

Regarding Django's posts:

Does kundalini only and always stimulate the sex nerves? I hear that this is a stage, and people seem to get past it usually. If they have worked on themselves, kundalini might not even get stuck there initially. Even if it did, then it starts to stimulate higher chakras, until it reaches the head and maybe through the top of the head.

Yes, that is true, the Kundalini, or Libido as Freud erroneously referred to it, stimulates the second chakra first, when it initially rises from its base in the first chakra, so there is heightened sexual stimulation and activity. That phase passes as it moves further up and sexual energy is transformed into a higher, spiritual purpose. That is actually the whole point of Tantra and Kundalini Yoga, the potency of Sexual energy or Libido is a powerful tool for spiritual development.

I have heard the snake as kundalini idea before, the thing about that idea is that it is considered good for people to eat the fruit, and the bad old God is trying to deny people something that is good for their development. This perspective is opposite to the idea that people did wrong by disobeying God, and would have been better off not eating the fruit.

So ideally we need to specify what the fruit is an analogy for. Is kundalini knowledge of good and evil? If it fits fair enough, but if it doesn't then for me that idea can hold no water.

Personally I think kundalini is a wrong turning anyway, I don't think it can ever deliver true satisfaction of the spiritual drive, and somehow I have a hard time imagining Adam and Eve in the throes of a kundalini episode.

Surely, you don't think that the Genesis story is literally about a talking snake wrapped around a tree and the two original humans from whom we all came?

Obviously these are symbolic of much larger universal forces. Adam is the male creative principle, which is also the sun, the right hand path. Eve is the female creative principle, which is the moon and the left hand path. This Right-Left, Male-Female duality extends to everything in our lives, including politics.

As for the Old Testament God, he sure doesn't come off as the hero of the story. He looks like the villain to me and that was the interpretation of the Gnostics as well. He is the Demiurge or Yadalbaoth in this story, the false god of the fake reality he created to stop humans from reaching their true potential, which is eternal life and universal knowledge.

The Serpent is the mechanism by which Illumination is achieved and has been the symbol of this enlightenment for tens of thousands of years. You can see it with prehistoric serpent-worshippers, the Sumerians (Enki's staff), the Greeks (the Caduceus), the Egyptians, the Mayans (Quetzalcoatl, the feathery serpent), the Seven-headed serpent perched over Buddha's head, etc...

The fruit of the Tree of Life is the fruit of Enlightenment, Soma or Nectar, the drink of the gods. The Fall of Man refers to the fact that we no longer have access to this divine source, therefore we are fallen and no more "as the gods". Raising the Kundalini is the process by which humanity can be raised up again, which is why we generally refer to it as ascension.

Of course, the Roman church would consider all of it evil and the work of the Devil. Who would want to give the general public illumination, divine knowledge and power? It would put the church out of business pretty swiftly. But, it is obvious to me that they're not the good guys here.

[django]

Originally Posted by NoOne

Thanks for that Miss Hepburn.

I've read this book many years ago, but I did not recall this part about Yogananda's interpretation of Genesis. I think it is difficult for a Hindu Yogi to interpret Bible stories, because most of them have Sumerian origins and you need to understand the symbolism that comes from that. It was Zecharia Sitchin that first popularised the Sumerian origins of Genesis, which remains true, despite the problematic nature of his translations, which were often poor or entirely made up.

Regarding Django's posts:



Yes, that is true, the Kundalini, or Libido as Freud erroneously referred to it, stimulates the second chakra first, when it initially rises from its base in the first chakra, so there is heightened sexual stimulation and activity. That phase passes as it moves further up and sexual energy is transformed into a higher, spiritual purpose. That is actually the whole point of Tantra and Kundalini Yoga, the potency of Sexual energy or Libido is a powerful tool for spiritual development.

Surely, you don't think that the Genesis story is literally about a talking snake wrapped around a tree and the two original humans from whom we all came?

No, I am wondering what the story is describing, I agreed with an earlier post that traces of some or other truth might reasonably be retained in the story, and I wonder what that 'truth' is.

Originally Posted by NoOne

Obviously these are symbolic of much larger universal forces. Adam is the male creative principle, which is also the sun, the right hand path. Eve is the female creative principle, which is the moon and the left hand path. This Right-Left, Male-Female duality extends to everything in our lives, including politics.

I do agree this duality extends to everything, and fully understanding this duality is actually my basic interest.

Originally Posted by NoOne

As for the Old Testament God, he sure doesn't come off as the hero of the story. He looks like the villain to me and that was the interpretation of the Gnostics as well. He is the Demiurge or Yadalbaoth in this story, the false god of the fake reality he created to stop humans from reaching their true potential, which is eternal life and universal knowledge.

Yes I am aware the gnostics have a different take on the Old Testament God, but I don't buy into the gnostic tenets.

Originally Posted by NoOne

The Serpent is the mechanism by which Illumination is achieved and has been the symbol of this enlightenment for tens of thousands of years. You can see it with prehistoric serpent-worshippers, the Sumerians (Enki's staff), the Greeks (the Caduceus), the Egyptians, the Mayans (Quetzalcoatl, the feathery serpent), the Seven-headed serpent perched over Buddha's head, etc...

It's too easy to glibly claim that all snake imagery equals kundalini. Look at this quote from wikipedia in 'Serpent Symbolism" -

It is Hermes' role as psychopomp, the escort of newly deceased souls to the afterlife, that explains the origin of the snakes in the caduceus since this was also the role of the Sumerian entwined serpent god Ningizzida, with whom Hermes has sometimes been equated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_(symbolism)

Originally Posted by NoOne

The fruit of the Tree of Life is the fruit of Enlightenment, Soma or Nectar, the drink of the gods.

In the story there are two trees, the serpent leads Eve to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not from the tree of life. What the tree of life refers to is another issue altogether. Kundalini is not considered to engender immortality is it?

Originally Posted by NoOne

The Fall of Man refers to the fact that we no longer have access to this divine source, therefore we are fallen and no more "as the gods". Raising the Kundalini is the process by which humanity can be raised up again, which is why we generally refer to it as ascension.

Of course, the Roman church would consider all of it evil and the work of the Devil. Who would want to give the general public illumination, divine knowledge and power? It would put the church out of business pretty swiftly. But, it is obvious to me that they're not the good guys here.

[neil]

Originally Posted by django

No, I am wondering what the story is describing, I agreed with an earlier post that traces of some or other truth might reasonably be retained in the story, and I wonder what that 'truth' is.

I do agree this duality extends to everything, and fully understanding this duality is actually my basic interest.

Yes I am aware the gnostics have a different take on the Old Testament God, but I don't buy into the gnostic tenets.

It's too easy to glibly claim that all snake imagery equals kundalini. Look at this quote from wikipedia in 'Serpent Symbolism" -

In the story there are two trees, the serpent leads Eve to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not from the tree of life. What the tree of life refers to is another issue altogether. Kundalini is not considered to engender immortality is it?

From my extensive negative issues regarding very nasty evil minded spiritual beings, influencing & attacking me, All of my life. I suggest that the apostles or persons who took it upon themselves to record the adventures of Jesus, were at all moments highly negatively influenced by evil minded dark spiritual beings. Once these beings take hold via an energetic connection it is impossible to have them release from us.

I know that people believe that they can rid themselves of such attachments, BUT I know that those persons are allowed to think that they have severed the connection, because it benefits the dark ones & that will become apparent to one & all after one & all transition from the flesh...BUT UNTILL THEN, BELIEVE AS YOU CHOOSE, BUT BE CAUTIOUS AFTER THE TRANSITION FROM FLESH.

ANYWAY, from my extensive near fatal lessons, I know that the biblical scripts are not on the money. And that the allegorical writings are not as You may think.

WHY ON EARTH WOULD THE GOD ENTITY TELL HIS BELOVED FIRST TWO, THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & AS WELL AS, ALL EVIL. ALL OF US NEED TO BE WELL AWARE OF WHAT IS DISCRETELY & INVISIBLY LURKING AROUND US ALL, & IF WE KNEW THEN WE COULD AVOID IT.

Not only do we need to know of good & evil, we should have good knowledge of the "tree of life" & we should consume from it..as it is truely known as the Christ Essence, which flows from the ever abundant "FOUNTAIN OF CHRIST" . And if we consumed from the tree of life we could resist the temptations of the evil & only be good & divinely Christed beings.

BUT the ALLEGORICAL SNAKE IN THE GRASS..(EVIL MINDED SPIRITUAL BEINGS)...CREPT UP ON THE FIRST PARENTS & MADE THE ENERGETIC CONNECTION & IN DOING SO, DID BRING INTO EFFECT AROUND THEM, AN ENERGETIC SPIRITUAL VEIL, WHICH ENCUMBERED THEM IN SUCH A WAY AS THEY COULD KNOW LONGER COMMUNICATE WITH THE GOD ENTITY, & FROM THAT MOMENT ON IT WAS A DOWNWARD SPIRAL INTO DARKNESS.

I also know that all of our sexuality is highly influenced by evil minded beings....WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE HERE WITH US...THE BIBLE LENDS KNOWLEDGE TO THE REASON...THEY INFLUENCE US TO BE HIGHLY SEXUAL WITH AS MANY PARTNERS AS POSSIBLE & AS MANY TIMES POSSIBLE.

They are into anything of the physical, and kundalini & the wonderful feelings that can be associated with it, can lead to good times for evil minded spiritual beings.

The inflowings of the life transforming Christ ESSENCE is not of a sexual nature & neither is the God head that it flows from. People are influenced into believing that the feelings that are associated with kundalini are of some kind of enlightenment & are of The "CHRIST GODLY HEAVENLY FATHER", BUT enlightenment & closeness to the "HEAVENLY FATHER" it surely does not supply.
What it does supply is, all kinds of pleasures for evil minded dark spiritual beings.

Any questions welcome FROM HINDUS, BUDDHIST, NEW AGERS, AND ANYONE IN GENERAL.
& as usual, for your considerations...Neil

[Zigzangle]

Originally Posted by neil

From my extensive negative issues regarding very nasty evil minded spiritual beings, influencing & attacking me, All of my life. I suggest that the apostles or persons who took it upon themselves to record the adventures of Jesus, were at all moments highly negatively influenced by evil minded dark spiritual beings. Once these beings take hold via an energetic connection it is impossible to have them release from us.

I know that people believe that they can rid themselves of such attachments, BUT I know that those persons are allowed to think that they have severed the connection, because it benefits the dark ones & that will become apparent to one & all after one & all transition from the flesh...BUT UNTILL THEN, BELIEVE AS YOU CHOOSE, BUT BE CAUTIOUS AFTER THE TRANSITION FROM FLESH.

ANYWAY, from my extensive near fatal lessons, I know that the biblical scripts are not on the money. And that the allegorical writings are not as You may think.

WHY ON EARTH WOULD THE GOD ENTITY TELL HIS BELOVED FIRST TWO, THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD & AS WELL AS, ALL EVIL. ALL OF US NEED TO BE WELL AWARE OF WHAT IS DISCRETELY & INVISIBLY LURKING AROUND US ALL, & IF WE KNEW THEN WE COULD AVOID IT.

Not only do we need to know of good & evil, we should have good knowledge of the "tree of life" & we should consume from it..as it is truely known as the Christ Essence, which flows from the ever abundant "FOUNTAIN OF CHRIST" . And if we consumed from the tree of life we could resist the temptations of the evil & only be good & divinely Christed beings.

BUT the ALLEGORICAL SNAKE IN THE GRASS..(EVIL MINDED SPIRITUAL BEINGS)...CREPT UP ON THE FIRST PARENTS & MADE THE ENERGETIC CONNECTION & IN DOING SO, DID BRING INTO EFFECT AROUND THEM, AN ENERGETIC SPIRITUAL VEIL, WHICH ENCUMBERED THEM IN SUCH A WAY AS THEY COULD KNOW LONGER COMMUNICATE WITH THE GOD ENTITY, & FROM THAT MOMENT ON IT WAS A DOWNWARD SPIRAL INTO DARKNESS.

I also know that all of our sexuality is highly influenced by evil minded beings....WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE HERE WITH US...THE BIBLE LENDS KNOWLEDGE TO THE REASON...THEY INFLUENCE US TO BE HIGHLY SEXUAL WITH AS MANY PARTNERS AS POSSIBLE & AS MANY TIMES POSSIBLE.

They are into anything of the physical, and kundalini & the wonderful feelings that can be associated with it, can lead to good times for evil minded spiritual beings.

The inflowings of the life transforming Christ ESSENCE is not of a sexual nature & neither is the God head that it flows from. People are influenced into believing that the feelings that are associated with kundalini are of some kind of enlightenment & are of The "CHRIST GODLY HEAVENLY FATHER", BUT enlightenment & closeness to the "HEAVENLY FATHER" it surely does not supply.
What it does supply is, all kinds of pleasures for evil minded dark spiritual beings.

Any questions welcome FROM HINDUS, BUDDHIST, NEW AGERS, AND ANYONE IN GENERAL.
& as usual, for your considerations...Neil

I feel so very sorry for Biblical literalists who don't question the credibility of that book.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by django

It's too easy to glibly claim that all snake imagery equals kundalini. Look at this quote from wikipedia in 'Serpent Symbolism" -

In the story there are two trees, the serpent leads Eve to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not from the tree of life. What the tree of life refers to is another issue altogether. Kundalini is not considered to engender immortality is it?

True, not all serpent symbolism is about the Kundalini, but often it is. The Caduceus is a classic in my view. And Hermes in Greek mythology is very much considered a bridge between mortals and gods, not unlike Enki in Mesopotamia. It has even been suggested that Dionysos is the Greek Equivalent of Shiva and plays a similar role in Dionysean Mystery schools.


It is of course difficult to ascertain what exactly the Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge refer to respectively, unlike in Hinduism, most of the meaning of these ancient symbols have been lost and we have to do a certain amount of intuitive guesswork based on the myths and stories of other cultures.


The tree of life in Kabballah, as well its Sumerian predecessor, makes it pretty clear that we are talking about the body's energetic system here, with the knots and centres at the middle representing the main chakras. A further parallel between Kabballah and Hinduism is that the various centres are ruled by various deities, including goddesses in some cases.


As for Kundalini and Immortality, yes, the mythology suggests a prolongation of life, and even immortality in the form of the gradual creation of a light body through the drinking of Soma.

[NoOne]

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[neil]

Originally Posted by NoOne

True, not all serpent symbolism is about the Kundalini, but often it is. The Caduceus is a classic in my view. And Hermes in Greek mythology is very much considered a bridge between mortals and gods, not unlike Enki in Mesopotamia. It has even been suggested that Dionysos is the Greek Equivalent of Shiva and plays a similar role in Dionysean Mystery schools.

It is of course difficult to ascertain what exactly the Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge refer to respectively, unlike in Hinduism, most of the meaning of these ancient symbols have been lost and we have to do a certain amount of intuitive guesswork based on the myths and stories of other cultures.

The tree of life in Kabballah, as well its Sumerian predecessor, makes it pretty clear that we are talking about the body's energetic system here, with the knots and centres at the middle representing the main chakras. A further parallel between Kabballah and Hinduism is that the various centres are ruled by various deities, including goddesses in some cases.

As for Kundalini and Immortality, yes, the mythology suggests a prolongation of life, and even immortality in the form of the gradual creation of a light body through the drinking of Soma.

Yes of course it is energy central...The chakras...yes...BUT that is all it is.

And kundalini is a feeling of different kinds, experienced differently by individuals, & is an energy influenced & brought about by evil minded beings, because it leads on into different kinds of pleasures that evil minded beings capitalize on.

And guess who is behind and very much an influence & part of tantric sex practices....yes, if you guessed evil minded beings, you are correct. They are literally all over it in large numbers...
they literally & totally surround the participants and heighten the sexual energetic feelings, and it leads to persons literaly going through minor to outright almost unbearable sexual extacies which then can lead on into all sorts of crazy debauchery, and the evil minded beings are absolutely crazy for it all.

If a person does not want to have a pure desire for the HEAVENLY FATHERS love & very transforming essence, to flow in & to take that person through the new birth.
Then there is only one other way to increase ones quality of soul SALLUBRIOUSLY.....AND THAT IS VIA THE LAW OF REAP AS ONE SOWS.

THE MORE A PERSON IS LOVE, & PRACTICES LOVING BEHAVIOR ETC, THEN THE MORE A PERSON GROWS MORE SALLUBRIOUSLY LOVING....LAW OF REAP AS YOU SOW..."101"

And then the CHAKRA centre, the coat of many colors becomes ever more vibrantly luminous.

& as usual, for your considerations.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Zigzangle

I feel so very sorry for Biblical literalists who don't question the credibility of that book.

Yeah, I feel the same way about that. Literalism is very much a feature of most people with a fundamentalist religious bent. That is not to say Neil doesn’t make some good points. Malevolent entities are a thing and they can and and do ensnare some people. It is somewhat of a mystery why they pick on some people and not others, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the strength of one’s personal energy field and how high they managed to raise their vibrations. I have had a few creepy encounters with such beings, but I generally managed to get rid of their unwanted attention through various means.

People who can’t get rid of malevolent entities probably need to work on strengthening their own energy field, but if they’re fundamentalist Christians, it is doubtful whether they’ll undertake the necessary spiritual disciplines that would help them overcome them. I am not a Christian myself, but I don’t think there are any accepted practices in Christianity that would help one develop energetically and spiritually. Judaism has Kaballah, Hinduism and Buddhism have Yoga and Tantra, and Islam has Sufism, but Christianity seems to come up short in this department.

[Zigzangle]

Originally Posted by NoOne

Yeah, I feel the same way about that. Literalism is very much a feature of most people with a fundamentalist religious bent. That is not to say Neil doesn’t make some good points. Malevolent entities are a thing and they can and and do ensnare some people. It is somewhat of a mystery why they pick on some people and not others, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the strength of one’s personal energy field and how high they managed to raise their vibrations. I have had a few creepy encounters with such beings, but I generally managed to get rid of their unwanted attention through various means.

People who can’t get rid of malevolent entities probably need to work on strengthening their own energy field, but if they’re fundamentalist Christians, it is doubtful whether they’ll undertake the necessary spiritual disciplines that would help them overcome them. I am not a Christian myself, but I don’t think there are any accepted practices in Christianity that would help one develop energetically and spiritually. Judaism has Kaballah, Hinduism and Buddhism have Yoga and Tantra, and Islam has Sufism, but Christianity seems to come up short in this department.

There is no evidence there are any entities.

[neil]

Originally Posted by NoOne

Yeah, I feel the same way about that. Literalism is very much a feature of most people with a fundamentalist religious bent. That is not to say Neil doesn’t make some good points. Malevolent entities are a thing and they can and and do ensnare some people. It is somewhat of a mystery why they pick on some people and not others, but I suspect it has a lot to do with the strength of one’s personal energy field and how high they managed to raise their vibrations. I have had a few creepy encounters with such beings, but I generally managed to get rid of their unwanted attention through various means.

People who can’t get rid of malevolent entities probably need to work on strengthening their own energy field, but if they’re fundamentalist Christians, it is doubtful whether they’ll undertake the necessary spiritual disciplines that would help them overcome them. I am not a Christian myself, but I don’t think there are any accepted practices in Christianity that would help one develop energetically and spiritually. Judaism has Kaballah, Hinduism and Buddhism have Yoga and Tantra, and Islam has Sufism, but Christianity seems to come up short in this department.

So here it is in plain sight, you obviously read my posts.
And first i am not a fundamentalist...NOT THAT YOU SAID THAT, I THINK...SMILES.

I have read all kinds of text, religious, spiritual, non spiritual, listened to Buddhist & hindu people friends.
I also have been apart of religion, spiritualist churches etc etc.

And none of the techniques, healings, mediums, Sharman, etc etc crystal, smoke devices, candles, cleansing techniques, or demanding for them to leave.
NOR THE CALLING ON JESUS HAD ANY AFFECT ON THE SPIRITUAL BEINGS WHO ARE ATTACHED TO ME.

And after 56 years of them being on me, & 15 years of all of the above mentioned, I discovered why & how they are with me, & that they have no intensions of leaving me.

BUT AS YOU STILL HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT, THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON & THING THAT CAN SORT THIS ISSUE.

& THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BIBLE POORLY TRIES TO TELL US. & WE ARE JUST LIKE THE FIRST PARENTS AFTER BEING AFFECTED BY THE DARK ONES, THEY COULD NOT COMMUNICATE WITH GOD NOR COULD THEY FEEL ANY EFFECTS OF THE LOVE & VERY ESSENCE OF THE HEAVENLY FATHER.
IF WE COULD WE WOULD BE AS JESUS WAS...ALL POWEREFUL ALL HOLY ALL LOVING.BUT WE ARE NOT...""ARE WE""..NO.

BUT it is the Christ RADIANCE that could grow more powerful within us, & of which the dark beings can not withstand, & we do not have sufficient quantities of it, for it to be a repellent to the dark ones.

Nothing of the mantras, protective techniques, NOTHING HAS EVER REPELLED THEM...NOTHING.

And that is why I never stop desiring for the HEAVENLY FATHERS LOVE & ESSENCE TO SET ME FREE OF THEM.

AND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO RID ME OF THEM, I AM EAGERLY WAITING FOR MY FOLKS TO NOT NEED MY ASSISTANCE HERE ON EARTH ANY MORE.
SO THAT I CAN HEAD LEAVE EARTH & FLESH, & HEAD ON INTO THE HIGHEST PLAIN OF THE HEAVENLY SPHERES, THAT I CAN WITHSTAND, SO THAT THESE BEINGS WILL BE FORCED AWAY FROM ME IN RETREAT.

& as usual, for your considerations...Neil