Love

[Shivani Devi]

Many have experienced this feeling, but what feels it? Does it not arise within, totally independent from the requirement of the awareness and yet, it is felt by nothing which actually feels it?

Love exists as the spontaneity of expression, of being totality within itself, which is love. Love is Brahman, the Oneness, magnified and personified into that which it is, just like energy pervades matter with the awareness of form.

Many will say "I am in love" separate from the loving consciousness arising, yet they are not separate. The tears of love's joy will flow and yet no-one cries. Laughter will occur simultaneously and yet, no-one laughs.

Love is that which delineates dry logic and mental awareness from a lived experience through love, to embrace all beings as one in the spirit and not just say everything manifests as Oneness, yet go on hating and hurting with bitterness in their heart.

They may also say that hate is unfolding in Oneness as does love, yet dwelling in hate is preferred to realising the essence of love, which they truly are.

It is beauty, wonder, awe, astonishment, amazement, letting things just be, letting it all go and dissolving into the love...it is all about surrender...surrender of the mind, the ego, personal will, all notions of duality into the ocean of cosmic love (Brahman) until the self is loved as the love which it is - totally...unconditionally.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Many have experienced this feeling, but what feels it? Does it not arise within, totally independent from the requirement of the awareness and yet, it is felt by nothing which actually feels it?

Love exists as the spontaneity of expression, of being totality within itself, which is love. Love is Brahman, the Oneness, magnified and personified into that which it is, just like energy pervades matter with the awareness of form.

Many will say "I am in love" separate from the loving consciousness arising, yet they are not separate. The tears of love's joy will flow and yet no-one cries. Laughter will occur simultaneously and yet, no-one laughs.

Love is that which delineates dry logic and mental awareness from a lived experience through love, to embrace all beings as one in the spirit and not just say everything manifests as Oneness, yet go on hating and hurting with bitterness in their heart.

They may also say that hate is unfolding in Oneness as does love, yet dwelling in hate is preferred to realising the essence of love, which they truly are.

It is beauty, wonder, awe, astonishment, amazement, letting things just be, letting it all go and dissolving into the love...it is all about surrender...surrender of the mind, the ego, personal will, all notions of duality into the ocean of cosmic love (Brahman) until the self is loved as the love which it is - totally...unconditionally.

"yet dwelling in hate is preferred".

Who or what prefers?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Iamit

"yet dwelling in hate is preferred".

Who or what prefers?

The small self, the ego.

You could also say that the ego dwells within the love and love is an all-consuming passion just as much as hate is, but unconditional love leads to bliss, whereas abject hate leads to misery. Despite that which 'prefers', which is more preferable?

Bliss unfolds in Oneness as much as misery, but the existential awareness depends on its own effect which can be either SELF-productive or counter productive in regards.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

The small self, the ego.

You could also say that the ego dwells within the love and love is an all-consuming passion just as much as hate is, but unconditional love leads to bliss, whereas abject hate leads to misery. Despite that which 'prefers', which is more preferable?

Bliss unfolds in Oneness as much as misery, but the existential awareness depends on its own effect which can be either SELF-productive or counter productive in regards.

Who or what is the smallself/ego? You know where this is going. Cut straight to the ultimate:)

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Who or what is the smallself/ego? You know where this is going. Cut straight to the ultimate:)

The small self/ego is that which believes it is independent from the existence of itself as the universal love-bliss or Brahman.

The small self or ego is restricted by and within its own thought process as being 'this' or 'that'...doing 'this' or 'that' and whatever duality is arising is only a manifestation of the Oneness...but what is it that manifests within its own manifestation?

What gives rise to itself in matter? in name/form as being disconnected from itself as perceived by the mind and senses which only experiences it as such?

...and yes, I am fully aware where this is going.

May I ask you, are you happy? I mean, in the general sense...is happiness unfolding more than just ambivalence, connection and the interconnection?

However, if I were to cut straight to the Ultimate, I wouldn't be able to type here.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Iamit

"yet dwelling in hate is preferred".

Who or what prefers?

You are the T?????

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by shivatar

You are the T?????

Depends what you mean by "T".

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Depends what you mean by "T".

I must say that Shivatar's response has me quite stumped as well. Kindly elaborate please, Shivatar.

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I must say that Shivatar's response has me quite stumped as well. Kindly elaborate please, Shivatar.

The IAM THE T ____IT.

lol

edit: let me know if you laughed. I died laughing. lol

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by Iamit

"yet dwelling in hate is preferred".

Who or what prefers?

Iamit, hello there (I am addressed "you" personally , that is, your individuated yet interconnected consciousness within your temporal incarnation) and I hope you're well!

Please see my follow-on adds to Blossom above. Having established the who's, we can now discuss the why's.

Many will say "I am in love" separate from the loving consciousness arising, yet they are not separate. The tears of love's joy will flow and yet no-one cries. Laughter will occur simultaneously and yet, no-one laughs.

Love is that which delineates dry logic and mental awareness from a lived experience through love, to embrace all beings as one in the spirit and not just say everything manifests as Oneness, yet go on hating and hurting with bitterness in their heart.

They may also say that hate is unfolding in Oneness as does love, yet dwelling in hate is preferred to realising the essence of love, which they truly are.

My interpretation of Shivani's statement is as follows, very broad strokes...
No one is separate as in truly apart, as we in our individuated consciousness exist in interbeing. Our relationship to the One is all at once fractal, emanation, and individuation. We are not separate from the one but neither do any one of us fully comprise all that is, regardless of whether or not we expand our individuated consciousness to the level of all that is. It is not wholly correct to say individuated consciousness is illusory. It is not illusory. The perception of strict separation is the great illusion. We are individuated aspects of Oneness. We are nothing but dust and ashes (material reality) and yet the universe was created for us (by Us as Oneness).

The relationship of awareness of non-duality to awareness of our individuated existence is (just for illustration) a bit like the "magic ratio" of positive : negative interactions/statements/etc. Which is, acc'd to researchers, around 5:1. Many of us would say it should be a bit closer to at least 10:1, hahaha. But let's go with it. A similar sort of ratio is needed for humanity's balance of energetic and manifest lovingkindess to equanimity. These can be represented kabbalistically (mystically) as (let's just say) 5 parts lovingkindness to one part equanimity (awe/faith, judgment, strength, discipline).

I put someone like Jesus as more like 2:1 or 3:1...but I don't think humanity is there yet...meaning, he was able to essentially change the laws of manifest reality to sustain physical existence without the necessary additional portion of expansive weak energy (lovingkindness) yet without causing a total collapse. He basically brought different laws into this physical realm, such that (I suppose) less expansive speed is required to sustain the balance of strong force (equanimity) to weak force. What Jesus did, was manifest a MUCH more powerful "weak" force, a much more powerful lovingkindness. One that was able to handle a much higher ratio of weak : strong force, of lovingkindness to equanimity.

This is why his teachings speak so powerfully to both energies, but in a way that is not present in most other masters' teachings. I am not a Christian, BTW. I simply see that the way forward for humanity will involve strengthening the power of our lovingkindness along these lines, such that a much greater degree of equanimity can also be made manifest. We will not be the same humanity when we are done. We will literally have transformed not only ourselves but our entire reality, and at the most fundamental of levels. This is the power of lovingkindness...to ultimately allow for a vastly greater expression of equanimity WHILST doing so from a place of individuation, or infinite variation of individuated consciousness.

Similarly...and by no coincidence...IMO the balance that humanity will need to move forward, very broadly, will be integrating that same sort of mix of groundedness in individuated interbeing with awareness of the larger non-duality. Those who veer too strongly into ungrounded non-duality will eventually tend to obstruct their own progress as individuated consciousness. This is obviously far less common in humanity at this time, LOL...though it's possible for some. Harm to others as well as self is also possible from this sort of imbalance. Clearly, there is almost never any theoretical instance where overriding or denying the existence of someone's individual humanity has ever accrued any greater good. This is the energy of excessive equanimity (balance of highest good of all equally to the self), which will easily subsume the individuated aspects entirely without a sufficient & far greater relative portion of expansive "weak force", or lovingkindness. For example you can see this manifest in the physical realm on a very large scale...i.e., how is it that all matter is not eventually sucked into a nearby black hole? It's at least partly to do with the vast speed at which space is expanding and things are moving away from one another.

Likewise, those who veer too strongly toward immersion in the individuated aspects, particularly indulgence in sensate, material, and overreaching, aggressive aspects of reality, also tend to obstruct their own progress. This is obviously far more common in humanity at this time...as we are nearly drowning under the weight of our violence, vices, degradations, addictions, and exploitations directed toward self, others, and Gaia. This is the energy of excessive lovingkindness (tolerance, acceptance of individuation and of the infinite diversity of what is...particularly and centrally for oneself) without sufficient equanimity (seeking the highest good of all). Though we need a much larger portion of this expansive energy to prevent total consumption of all that is back into the emptiness...still, a sufficient portion is critical for our sustainability AND progress, either one, on any level. We can look around at our modern culture and clearly see how a lack of sufficient internal and culturally-supported (normative, expected) portion of equanimity leads to a severe imbalance, with pervasive misalignment and suffering perpetrated onto both self and others.

Those who say hate is a part of the unfolding of Oneness by way of justifying their imbalance on either side...(though imbalance on the side of excessive tolerance for oneself without adequate equanimity for all others is far more common today IMO) are, presumably, adequately aware of the imbalance and are choosing to perpetrate it rather than owning it and addressing it. I call this the integrity gap; once sufficiently aware, we are at some level consciously choosing in each now moment either to address it and move toward balance and right alignment, or else to ignore it or even to actively perpetrate it.

Put another way, if we want a greater recognition of non-duality and the implicit apprehension of the equanimity of all that is, we'll need to invest in ownership and lovingkindness within manifest individuation ...and do so in the most radical possible ways.

And heartfelt thanks as always to the guides, who provide insight to me which I unpack later for consideration and reflection.

Peace & blessings
7L