Levels/Layers of Progression

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I was also caught up in the conversation and also the forum database going down for 2 days, so I didn't reply to you either and I humbly apologise.

You are correct. My challenge is to be able to express this love for Shiva more openly in some way and also apply this knowledge in an area/arena where others will be actually interested in hearing it, or else just keep it all to myself as it only ever seems to be for 'my' benefit anyway. *sigh*

Meanwhile, the challenge is and always has been to be enlightened inside, but to be able to act like a regular Joe and be totally comfortable with all of the hypocrisy that entails superficially and externally - or else go and live in an ashram for the rest of one's life.

If there is anything a Guru could help me with, it is that. Learning how to express my love and knowledge without making so many enemies in the process, then turning back to Shiva after the fact and going "well, at least you are still there...as you've always been" so in a way, it's good...in a way, it's not.

I also understand something though...the logic, wisdom and knowledge I possess is so deep and profound, only another Shaivite scholar well-versed in the Agama Tantric texts written back between 1000 and 1300 CE will actually get it...because yeah, I'm pretty much a past-master at identifying all the Hindu syncretism occurring in obscure texts that nobody studies much anymore.

However, with all of that going for me, I still fail to understand basically anything r6r6 writes because I'm a total failure at mathematics...totally! I learned enough to be able to understand the tattwas, sacred geometry and it all ends where Euclid does, but when r6r6 writes all his equations and I go to read them all, I am like this>>

So, I guess that r6r6 knows what he means when he writes all those equations out, even if nobody else does, judging by the few replies his posts containing them actually sees...yeah, I think there are as many quantum physicists on these boards as there are historical Hindu religious scholars with a Shaivite bent....so, some of us have refined and clarified this knowledge so much, that we have pretty much specialised ourselves out of everyday existence.

Problem is after that, coming back to mundane, superficial knowledge, is like a university graduate sitting through a kindergarten class wondering if they could learn the alphabet a different way than what they already know, or else just go and play in the sandpit and do stuff like this:

http://static.dnaindia.com/locality/...?itok=cMz_45nU

I mean, even yesterday I took my mother out to the local garden centre to buy some mulch.....in the garden centre there were many upturned cylindrical egg-shaped planter containers which, for all the world, resembled a row of Shiva Lingams and behind all that was a Buddha-head water feature, with water flowing out of the top-knot of Buddha's matted hair...I just went within and paid my homage and respects to Lord Shiva...it was either do that, or I would have to go and put every planter container the right way up because it kinda bothered me they all looked like Shiva Lingams. lol

So yeah, I also get that the universe conspires against me to keep me fully devoted to Lord Shiva despite any 'better judgments' I may have.

Hey there Shivani & no probs

Living with hypocrisy in daily life...or living in an ashram? Sounds like a no-brainer except I've got a child and you've also got your stuff...sigh....
I do get you here. I used to find it interesting, then amusing, then banal, then actually rather insulting and offensive (privately) when confronted with the often rather low and petty machinations of so many folks in our lives...think work, some family, etc. But I also saw the good in them, no matter how limited and selectively applied (for so many) and that usually won out and helped keeped me oriented right.

Sadly I see almost no agape love or agape soul light directed from men to women, just sex and ego needs masquerading as agape love and soul light...heavily conditioned by violent, degrading porn and by dehumanizing "casual sex" habits that reduce folks to parts. Heavily oriented in service to self...such that I am turned off by the orientation of most men to most women, lacking in the capacity for a foundation of agape love in platonic friendship. Full of conditions, full of grasping and demands for sex and servicing. Seeing us in an animalistic, subhuman way and not connecting to our hearts and souls (a few mins in bed doesn't count, that is a manipulative and momentary means of doing so). We're at a bad place, a very low place now spiritually as a species...and we'll have to find our way out of it. It won't be easy, and eventually folks are going to awaken to a lot of hard truths for themselves about their lives and the culture we live in. Most universally, they'll be about the extent of misdirection and trauma at the personal level that they've perpetrated onto themselves and others in our base treatment of one another in "partnerships", in ways and to the extent that our grandparents and those who came before couldn't even fathom.

I love the potential I see in all souls, but (I hate to be too critical and really strive not to say it too often) it doesn't mean I don't see how so many don't seem to make any effort to actualise this love and light. To manifest it in their day to day lives and to be with and do for others in authentically loving ways. It doesn't mean I love humanity any less. But it does mean that the flow of my love to them will be received but only to the extent hearts are open to receive. And it means with most, as you are getting at, I will not be met where I am at...seeing and loving them as they are, but also willing to speak the truth of where we all are as human beings. Many are still in the lalalala finger in ears, eyes closed state of mind, even though they've opened eyes and unplugged ears many times already at this point.

Love them all, but continue to speak your truth and the truth of what you see.


Peace & blessings
7L

[running]

its a mystery in how the heart opens up to bliss. but it does happen regardless of worlds affairs. regardless of personal desires and or idealogies. beliefs of goods and evils and so on.

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by running

its a mystery in how the heart opens up to bliss. but it does happen regardless of worlds affairs. regardless of personal desires and or idealogies. beliefs of goods and evils and so on.

Running, nice insight. But for our manifest world, this needs translation into intent, thought, word, and deed. Or we are each in our bubble of either bliss or pain or ???.

If we know drought is coming (think Joseph and his dreams), do we hope for a miracle breakthrough for everyone else and carry on taking care of me?

Or do we realise we are God here on earth for ourselves and for one another, manifest our awareness into our reality by very concretely sharing the specific news and the specific insight attached to it -- and then work with others to make arrangements to stockpile and distribute food and water for the life and survival of all those you touch in some way? Joseph consciously chose to manifest his authentic love in his being and doing by sharing his love -- such that everyone survived because of the conscious manifestation of authentic love to everyone in his path, day in and day, out over a lifetime -- and not just by accident.

That is the difference, related in a very mundane yet extremely loving example, between feeling the bliss and manifesting the authentic love in your life via word and deed. No one has to necessarily agree or disagree with you...though they may do so, of course. But you simply are being and doing love in the very act of deeply engaging on the ground and in seeking their highest good equally to your own.

Peace & blessings
7L

[running]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Running, nice insight. But for our manifest world, this needs translation into intent, thought, word, and deed. Or we are each in our bubble of either bliss or pain or ???.

If we know drought is coming (think Joseph and his dreams), do we hope for a miracle breakthrough for everyone else and carry on taking care of me?

Or do we realise we are God here on earth for ourselves and for one another, manifest our awareness into our reality by very concretely sharing the specific news and the specific insight attached to it -- and then work with others to make arrangements to stockpile and distribute food and water for the life and survival of all those you touch in some way? Joseph consciously chose to manifest his authentic love in his being and doing by sharing his love -- such that everyone survived because of the conscious manifestation of authentic love to everyone in his path, day in and day, out over a lifetime -- and not just by accident.

That is the difference, related in a very mundane yet extremely loving example, between feeling the bliss and manifesting the authentic love in your life via word and deed. No one has to necessarily agree or disagree with you...though they may do so, of course. But you simply are being and doing love in the very act of deeply engaging on the ground and in seeking their highest good equally to your own.

Peace & blessings
7L

i speaking in the context of the thread. world affairs and everything matters. its just despite such things the heart can open.

once that has happend all of the above will be experienced in a non dual bliss and silence in the mind. its not action and reaction based. its non dual.

emotions and preferences continue. they are just superceded in bliss. bliss is via the nervous system of ecstatic joy.

everything is experienced in that. thats where the non duality stuff got their idea perhaps. im not a non dualer. but i am aware that bliss and silence is non dual. cause its endless and not a coming and going experience.

it could be that the friction of life brings us to the bliss. that was my experience. but i only know how it went for me.

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by running

its a mystery in how the heart opens up to bliss. but it does happen regardless of worlds affairs. regardless of personal desires and or idealogies. beliefs of goods and evils and so on.

Boy, I'm sure glad Jesus,Buddha,Ghandi,the many Saints and Masters of this world and the next didn't scream "bliss" all day and lived what genuine manifestation of bliss/joy is - which is service.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by blossomingtree

Boy, I'm sure glad Jesus,Buddha,Ghandi,the many Saints and Masters of this world and the next didn't scream "bliss" all day and lived what genuine manifestation of bliss/joy is - which is service.

Carry on.

Yes. They did the right thing.


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[Alfor]

The one that is blissful is just doing what comes naturally without effort or desire. Others may call it service or what they wish, which is of no concern to the blissful one.

[blossomingtree]

Mushrooms anyone?

Originally Posted by Alfor

The one that is blissful is just doing what comes naturally without effort or desire. Others may call it service or what they wish, which is of no concern to the blissful one.

Yes - the Brahmans had to talk the Buddha into service - so seductive is bliss.


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[Alfor]

The blissful one is a service whether doing anything or not.