Pope Francis ordered a 10% pay cut for cardinals

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Altair

Indeed. But one could question whether the cardinals need such an income. Is that in tune with the scripture? IDK, and I don't mind that they do, but it could be interesting to explore. Jesus said something about giving possessions away (voluntarily) , but at the same time one is saved if one believes. So would it be an issue if the cardinals earn that sum?

Look at Paul, was he self sufficient or was he a burden on the Churches? He did not get paid when he went from Church to Church. 'Churches' back then was in many cases, a room in somebody's home. The home owner 'gave that space up' to be used from the kindness of their heart.

As for the rich liquidating their riches; that was to help their poor brothers and sisters. Their was nothing in place for somebody to 'line their pockets' by being a Christian.

i saw a catholic priest's boat, it was huge!

here, tons of them have mansions: multiple million dollars homes
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014...mes/index.html

how do these priests, and cardinals, and bishops deal with their mansions? they have nuns who get no pay to cook and clean for them!

The article in the monthly “Women, Church, World”, an official Vatican publication, described the drudgery of these nuns, who take vows of poverty as part of their religious orders so receive no pay and they do the cooking, and cleaning, and laundry, for cardinals, bishops and priests.

link here:

Stop exploiting nuns for cheap Church labor, Vatican magazine urges

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKCN1GD5S8

[Altair]

Sounds like they're enjoying life.. mansions, yachts. Then preaching on Sunday's!!

so if i became a bishop in the catholic church, i can have a luxury car, a mansion, a huge boat, and two or three nuns provided at no cost to clean my house, cook my breakfast lunch and dinner, do the dishes, do the shopping for me, wash my car, mop the floors, do my laundry, and i also get around 5k to 6k cash a month for anything else i wanna buy.

and this is a non-profit church.

isn't it weird that these nuns get no money, no possessions, no cars, probably sleep in a closet and the male bishop is rich and both of them have the same basic job? to surrender their lives to god?

Originally Posted by Altair

Sounds like they're enjoying life.. mansions, yachts. Then preaching on Sunday's!!

some bishops should have come to career day at my middle school, if i knew you get all of that i would have tried to be a bishop

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

[Altair]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

I think that was said within the context of expected loyalty to the Roman Empire.

Who would Caesar be in the context here? The Pope? The Church? They are the Caesar of the Vatican state.
If they are the Caesar of the Vatican state and decide to give the cardinals a 4/5K income than there's no conflict with scripture.

Originally Posted by Altair

I think that was said within the context of expected loyalty to the Roman Empire.

Who would Caesar be in the context here? The Pope? The Church? They are the Caesar of the Vatican state.
If they are the Caesar of the Vatican state and decide to give the cardinals a 4/5K income than there's no conflict with scripture.

Yep. No conflict.
I see the Catholic church like the state or a corporation.
What they pay their employees makes no difference to me.

They only pretend to speak on behalf of God.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Scriptures claim that those holding positions in the Church were suppose to be self supporting instead of getting paid.

That was my understanding as well and that was the way it was in the early Church.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

That was my understanding as well and that was the way it was in the early Church.

........... and then the original teachings were distorted, in some cases as much as 180 degrees out of phase.

Jesus taught of a simple belief.