Human intelligence (IQ) ... from the mind (soul), from the brain (genes)?

[Carnate]

Originally Posted by CrystalSong

I've come to believe that there are many types of intelligence and standard tests test only one type - mental intelligence.

What is interesting is that no one seems to have all types on intelligence, nor do we test for these other intelligences, yet any of these other types of intelligence open doors, make for opportunity and can take care of one's needs.

Here's a link for some psychologists that have tried to cover some of the intelligences you've commented about: http://fundersandfounders.com/9-types-of-intelligence/

It still doesn't cover creative, emotional, or spiritual intelligence... and I'd argue there are still more that are worth considering.

However, most IQ tests are designed with specific goals in mind; how likely is a person to be able to learn and participate in society. While your standard IQ test gives some core values that focus on the functional aspects of life, there are a wide range of tests that measure capabilities in other areas; such as cognitive flexibility and ability to inhibit undesirable responses, vocabulary, pattern/object identification, spatial awareness... actually, the list in quite extensive.

These other tests are primarily used to determine if there are some aspects of a person's cognitive functions that are having detrimental effects on their performance. As an example, someone with dyslexia is likely to have difficulty processing and/or identifying sounds.

[CrystalSong]

Nice link Carnate, it was good to see it and see that other forms of intelligence are being considered.
Like you I believe there are even more.

Perhaps in time other types of intelligence will become more important to us as a society.

[baro-san]

Originally Posted by Carnate

I've tried these before, ...

I just have two more shots in the dark;

1. A close acquaintance experienced similar memory and attention problems, and it proved to be pernicious anemia, which is basically lack of B12, as the body lost the ability to produce it; the only solution to long term keeping alive is to have every few days injections with Methylcobalamin (the easily absorbable B12; the other, Cyanocobalamin is ineffective).

2. I recently read a book by dr. Bruce Goldberg, who claimed that the cause of the current problems experienced by some of his patients were found to be rooted in future lives. First time he stepped on it by accident, while facilitating a hypnosis session, but once identified the problem was addressed and solved. Goldberg has other unusual theories he writes about like time travel (up to centurie 30+), aliens, parallel universes. I'm circumspect on some, but who am I to really judge them ...?

[baro-san]

I think now that I shouldn't have written"IQ" in the title.

I did it because I wanted to clarify that I wasn't asking about the multiple varieties of "intelligence". That's why I used a dictionary definition, and only hesitantly I copied the part about emotional intelligence, because I believe that learning to have control of our emotions is of major importance for spiritual worlds, but again, I didn't intend to ask about that.

My intention was to get opinions about how much of our reasoning capability is due to past life accumulations, and how much is due to genetic inheritance. Also, how the two influences intertwine.

[CrystalSong]

Sorry I took a different tack because it seemed more answerable.
"reasoning capability due to past life accumulations, and how much is due to genetic inheritance and how the two influences intertwine".....is a really big can of wiggly worms!

[Tobi]

I did an IQ test after having had barely 3 hours of sleep. The results were well below average IQ!
I did another at a later date when normal and refreshed. The results were higher and different.
And all that has nothing at all to do with my Soul, I do deeply sense....

There are some people who are judged as being somewhat 'simple' mentally, but whose deeper characters are kind, loving and sweet. What should we make of their Souls I wonder?

[Carnate]

Originally Posted by baro-san

I just have two more shots in the dark;

1. A close acquaintance experienced similar memory and attention problems, and it proved to be pernicious anemia, which is basically lack of B12, as the body lost the ability to produce it; the only solution to long term keeping alive is to have every few days injections with Methylcobalamin (the easily absorbable B12; the other, Cyanocobalamin is ineffective).

2. I recently read a book by dr. Bruce Goldberg, who claimed that the cause of the current problems experienced by some of his patients were found to be rooted in future lives. First time he stepped on it by accident, while facilitating a hypnosis session, but once identified the problem was addressed and solved. Goldberg has other unusual theories he writes about like time travel (up to centurie 30+), aliens, parallel universes. I'm circumspect on some, but who am I to really judge them ...?

Thanks for the comments.

I've had a lot of tests to find physical causes.. vitamin deficiency being the very first of them; everything normal except vitamin D (which is now taken care of by changes in routine).

I do agree that there's likely some spiritual cause.. I'm working on getting this resolved, but wanted to focus on more likely causes before stepping into past/future life regression. When I was younger, a spiritual block was put in place to reduce my psychic skills; to allow me to participate in schooling as a 'normal' kid. Prior to this, I could see auras, communicate with spirits, heal with my hands, astral travel, etc with ease. I have a feeling that this block is the primary cause of my current problems... as in, presenting as a type of barrier between my subtle bodies and my physical mind; pretty close to how we're comparing physical intelligence to the Mind / consciousness. I may be feeling that .. detachment.

[slowsnake]

Hello folks,
Funnily enough I am experiencing a change in my brain,its affecting me now as I type,I had an IQ test aged 55 years,I did not feel any more intelligent than say when I was 20 years old!
I did not have an IQ test in my early youth/20's as I had already realised that I was not smart compared to my older 2 brothers,but I did take a vocational guidance test aged 15 when I left high school in Liverpool UK.

Elder brother David is 68,very smart man,speaks 6 languages and has just retired in the UK due to illness, his daughter my niece has taken over the business, he worked for GE as a industrial diamond dealer,then set up his own very profitable business,and a lot of long hours,not physical work like me,but he reclaims diamonds from Hughes drillbit cutting heads,he's a very smart man,I thought as the third son I was not as intelligent as David,I thought he got all the smarts!

My second eldest brother John,who is one year less one day older than me,well he like me enjoyed mechanical things, and I still do,he became a toolmaker by trade,he lives near Ocean Reef in Perth, and a holiday home near the water down the coast near Perth, he loves fishing but since he started his business " hands on " his health has gone down hill, he has sold his business and retired.

Now me,speaking subjectively I have a good idea how my mind,body and nervous system functions,its my body so I am a good judge,I am only speculating about my brothers,just an objective view really of two people I know very well and also the differences between the three of us.
I know I am very smart and very clever but does that make them more intelligent than me or, smarter than me?
But why does it make them seem to be more intelligent? and,where did they get "it"?
I am no dummy and have never felt like one,on the street I meet people who are not as smart as me but I know for a fact they are intelligent,and they can probably do things I can't do better than me,now is that intelligence or has that person has learnt a different skill to me?

But like I said at the start I am going through hell from this invasive mould in my blood,I can feel my mind slipping away,I know it is the mould,but its affecting my brain and ears and eyes,but is it affecting my intelligence, I feel as per normal,I have headaches they are behind my right eye,I have mono/stereo hearing? and I see the specialists at Royal Perth Hospital on Monday,but,they are lung specialists,I feel I have my normal intelligence,I only feel very unwell,my mind is sharp as a tack,and like that since a kiddie,quick on the uptake,that's not intelligence,its a hassle though but all the meds I am on only affect my body,one works on the neural pathways in my brain to stop neuropathic pain,but it does not affect my intelligence,I am still a fully functioning and fully conscious person,lack of vitamins may affect how you function internally,but, I don't think they affect intelligence!

Kind Regards Billy.

[Carnate]

Thanks for sharing, Billy.

I've been to a large number of professionals too.. each one seems to shy away because they don't know what's going on. I go for one test, assessment, and brain scan after another... nothing shows anything physically wrong. They can only see the symptoms; problems with certain areas of cognition. But because there's nothing physical that seems to be causing it, it looks like the doctors will end up labeling it as a Functional Neurological Disorder; which is something of a catchment for 'we don't have any idea but need to call it something'.

For me.. if feels like my head is full of 'fog'.. or like I'm consistently very drunk. I live very much from one moment to the next. If you asked me when I last washed my hair, had a drink, or what I ate for dinner... I would struggle to tell you. And if I did have a response, it would be based on details I can currently see or feel; such as the state of my hair or stomach. For this reason, it doesn't really matter how intelligent I am or how quickly I can perform mental tasks.. because I forget things moments later.

I still feel like 'me'.. I still feel my intelligence and awareness strongly 'behind my eyes / in my chest'. But it's blurred or subdued by this overriding thing that plagues me.

[Aube Borealis]

Originally Posted by baro-san

I believe human intelligence is a characteristic of the mind, it stays with the soul, and its development is one of the important goals in each incarnation.

From what I've read we are born with an IQ that doesn't suffer major fluctuations over one's life, under normal health circumstances.

On the other hand I've watched a couple of documentaries, that presented cases when individuals that suffered major traumas acquired new and exceptional gifts in disciplines as mathematics, painting, music, for which they didn't show even some interest before.

Is the brain only a limiting factor of our soul's intelligence, or more?

I've noticed behavioural characteristics in some individuals that are similar to those of certain relatives from previous generations, not only parents, but aunts and uncles, grandparents, or further.

Does the genetical inheritance play a role in the intelligence of an individual? Which and how?

Hello baro-san,*

I think the Intelligence of an individual is a mixture of genetic inheritance, influences and the environment.

Genetic inheritance may skip generation but it can be traced through family history like intelligence, learning and teaching skills, habits, personality, etc.

Intelligence can be influenced also by the people around like adopted children who grew up with foster families, the child develop their way of thinking, behaviors and personality.

Intelligence can also be affected by the environment we grew up with, it is different living in the city, different cultures, or *living in poverty.

The brain is not only the limiting factor of our soul's intelligence, there is an emotional quotient that plays a big role. When a person is going through an emotional crisis, the mind just becomes unreasonable for a time.

The mind is so powerful, it can be trained to think and change the course of life. We can change our behaviors, way of thinking, study habits, be creative, etc. Sometimes we just have to try and discover our untapped intelligence, skills and talents.