Is suffering real ? Is love, joy real?

[Unseeking Seeker]

All is one, one is in all, all is in one, one is all.

What is immediate and intimate is missed because we are hypnotised by the environment owing to identification with form (senses externalised, thoughts spiralling about orbiting fear and desire, rooted in attachment).

What is immediate and intimate? Omnipresent space, cessation in each half breath pause, unconditional love, perfect brilliant stillness.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Every science / discipline / art has its terminologies and symbologies . So does spirituality.In order to benefit from it , it is imperative we understand it rightly.

Well it is beneficial if one has a sound footing on such matters but what I was suggesting about foundations is that the foundation for spirituality, science etc has to be built upon a reality that can sustain them in the first place.

If the reality is all but an illusory dream where no one is really here, then philosophy and science pertains to no-one and in conjured up in the same vein.

If peeps believe in the dream world that is full of nobodies then the question of is suffering real should never arise.


x daz x

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Well it is beneficial if one has a sound footing on such matters but what I was suggesting about foundations is that the foundation for spirituality, science etc has to be built upon a reality that can sustain them in the first place.

For me the foundations are very well strong and can very well withstand earthquake of richter scale 10!! If you see the principle propounded and enunciated by these people are viewed with awe and respect even after thousands of years after they die. On the other hand things thought and spoken by us may not be even heard (forget respecting and following ) by our kith and kins (forget any 3rd parties ) . For me , its because it has a strong rooting in reality and very self-sustaining .

Again none of what i write is my own. It's derived from scriptures and if u feel there is nothing for anyone on those scriptures , I wish you good luck and we can agree to disagree .

[Starman]

Is money real? An a lot of people suffer because they feel they are poor and have no money. Money is not real, its just paper or metal, which human beings have decided to give too much value to. Why are diamonds and gold valuable? Because people, and nations, have decided that they are valuable. In my opinion suffering and love are subjective experiences.

We decide whether we are suffering or not and we also decide whether we feel love or not; it is not objective. Love is many different things to different people. Diamonds are said to be a girls best friend, and most regard it as a symbol of love. Spiritually the bliss I have experienced transcends the word “love.” I embrace that reality is a matter of perception, as there are many levels and dimensions of reality.

[Redchic12]

We can spend our lives focusing on abundance or focusing on scarcity.
I’ve always focused on abundance and strangely enough I’ve always had enough for my needs, most times more than I need.
Nobody taught me that. I seem to have been born with it or perhaps learnt it in childhood. I really don’t know.
Regarding diamonds and gold. Well they have never meant much to me.

[Miss Hepburn]

@Starman - Hi! I'm sure in many places diamonds and cash mean little! Right.
The use of food would be used for bartering!!
An Apple would be like gold! Or clean water!

[Goldcup7]

For me, love and hate, contentment and suffering, are experienced as opposites in a world of separation, but permanent higher Love and Contentment is the basic nature of our being, which is one.

In my non dual view, separation in the world is not real, therefore suffering is not real. For me, Pure Love and Contentment is real, as I consider that to be the nature of the singular Self. Although the higher truth is that the Self is beyond words or descriptions.

[weareunity]

Hello all.

Thinking that "love" is what we call the result of the process of loving.

Without the process happening where is the evidence of "love"?

Is "love" some kind of phenomenon which exists separately to the process of loving?

Maybe that's another way of pondering on perhaps a less obvious meaning contained within "by our deeds we are known". ?

Cheers.X

[Rah nam]

Suffering happens in your mind only
Love to me is an energy and you can tap into it, very simple
Joy, you know when you experience it.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Rah nam

Love to me is an energy and you can tap into it, very simple
Joy, you know when you experience it.

Hi Rah nam :)
Can you help me, (and others I imagine), how does one tap into love (very) simply? I need that ability!