Is consciousness the real illusion

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

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The eye cannot directly see itself but by the virtue of seeing its existence is self-revealing and self-evident. ...

This is what Advaita Vedanta posits.

With what eye do you see in your dreams? What about obe, remote viewing, extraocular vision?

Originally Posted by Rah nam

Consciousness is the only thing that is not an illusion.

What happens when the consciousness is a 'product' of illusion?

Originally Posted by inavalan

:) I call them unconscious distortions.

And sometimes they're not so unconscious.

[hazada guess]

Originally Posted by Rah nam

Consciousness is the only thing that is not an illusion.

I agree wholeheartedly with that Statement.

Originally Posted by anthony c

To me pure consciousness is just the thing being conscious of itself and not objects. When really tapped into to me it's just a space like quality that everything arises and falls.

How did you come to that conclusion? Can conscious be conscious of itself or is the whole point of the exercise that there is consciousness outside itself, as in the 'objects' of consciousness and what you become conscious of?

Y'see, isn't what you and everybody else talking about an 'object' of consciousness and not consciousness itself?

What is consciousness conscious of?

Originally Posted by anthony c

Ego is like a rainbow you can see it but it is just an illusion of light and water.

According to Jung the ego is the centre of the field of consciousness or your "Sense of I am'. How that translates into something more practical is that it's the 'interface' between your internal and external realities, so think of it as Windows on a PC or what you look at on your phone. How you interact with the outside world is via your ego and its 'contents', how the outside world interacts with your internal reality depends on your ego. If you're cocky you'll perceive this post in one way and how you perceive it will become part of your consciousness, if you lack self esteem the same post will enter your conscious in a very different fashion.

What goes in arises in your consciousness via the unconscious, what goes out is a 'reflection' of your consciousness. Nobody tells you that in these forums.

The ego is differentiated consciousness and that's what creates 'I', Duality, Spirituality and wars. The ego is also in a symbiotic relationship with the unconscious, so all kinds of stull that's been stuffed in there affects how you perceive yourself.

The self is undifferentiated consciousness and has no sense if itself, because that can't happen with undifferentiated consciousness. The self has resolved the paradox of the unconscious and the conscious, which so many Spiritual people can't seem to do and if they could they could actually 'have'/'be' non-Duality.

What we have here is a mind process trying to figure out what is so far from mind it would make your head spin, when all the time consciousness is sitting in the background with it's beer and popcorn. What Spirituality won't tell you because it seeks splendid isolation and not understanding is that the 'background' to consciousness is psychology, and what it also won't tell you is that the Spiritual technobabble in this thread is psychology in Sanskrit. That's one of the ways the differentiated consciousness of the ego manifests.

What is real or what is illusion is 'decided' by differentiated consciousness. Baby steps, folks.

[Rah nam]

There is no such thing as "Nothingness".
It might be perceived from this reality as such.
What lays beyond all physicality is most likely beyond our ability to grasp.

[Rah nam]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

What happens when the consciousness is a 'product' of illusion?

Then I would say, we have different understandings of consciousness.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Rah nam

There is no such thing as "Nothingness".
It might be perceived from this reality as such.

Exactly! I've exp'd Nothingness, the Void, Blackness like a vacuum, No one there...but STILL, lol..it wasn't 'nothing'.
There was, however, Pure Awareness present.
(My socks were blown off, btw ---tho, I write about it like I saw another eclipse, ho-hum.)

Originally Posted by Rah nam

Then I would say, we have different understandings of consciousness.

Take away everything 'bit' of consciousness you've 'gained' in this forum, reading books etc?

Or was all of your Spiritual knowledge always in your consciousness? Are you cionsciou8s of what you are conscious of, are you conscious of what consciousness is or is what you perceive consciousness to be the end result of what your brain/mind has processed?