Arch Angels and Gods?

Originally Posted by NoOne

That is so true, thank you for that teaching, it really resonates with me and my own experiences.

Personally, I can't really tell if I'm being deceived (although there is a particular, lower vibration attached to deceitful people and beings, but it's very subtle), however I can tell if someone or something is genuine and spiritually valid. The top of my head lights up like a torch, flaming with heat and light. This just happened when I read what you wrote. Very wise words indeed.

I agree with you. In fact I experience the same thing as you do. When I establish contact with Bartholomew and call for the ethereal body of another person I feel the same circular very hot sensation all around my head, just above the level of the ears. As long as this lasts I know I have the high connection and what comes through is valid, not false. I've never, in more than 30 years of doing this, been told by another exactly what the feeling is. Thanks for the validation.

The energetic sensation at the crown verifies the higher body centers are being used to make the connection. There is a sensation of quiet and steady assurance. There is no emotionalism involved such as would be if the astral plane were being accessed.

James

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by bartholomew

I agree with you. In fact I experience the same thing as you do. When I establish contact with Bartholomew and call for the ethereal body of another person I feel the same circular very hot sensation all around my head, just above the level of the ears. As long as this lasts I know I have the high connection and what comes through is valid, not false. I've never, in more than 30 years of doing this, been told by another exactly what the feeling is. Thanks for the validation.

The energetic sensation at the crown verifies the higher body centers are being used to make the connection. There is a sensation of quiet and steady assurance. There is no emotionalism involved such as would be if the astral plane were being accessed.

James

Hi James, yes, you're right. Those are very profound observations and I don't recall anyone else making them. Which must mean there are not a lot of people that are genuinely connecting to a higher power, whatever that may be.

I have written extensively about this on other forums, but most people have no idea what I'm talking about.

I have noticed quite a few similarities between your experiences and mine. I am also a conscious channeller, though it got me into a lot of trouble last year and ended in a witch-hunt. I swore off channelling for a while and my guide gave me a lot of space as I had to establish some distance between us and set some ground rules. We have gotten too close and it wasn't healthy. I also connected to what I call heavenly consciousness, a collective mind that all heavenly beings share. It was beautiful, but the complete loss of privacy was unnerving. There is really no hiding your thoughts there, however embarrassing they may be.

Like you said, I also discovered that the various energy centres in the body connect you to the corresponding higher (or lower) planes of existence. The crown chakra connects you to heaven and the beings that live there. In some ways, it feels like a funnel, where you are downloading pure energy, love and information, from a higher realm. David Icke actually reported a similar experience, when he had his awakening in Peru. I corresponded with him about this and I believe it to be a result of Kundalini activation. This fiery energy is also known as the Holy Ghost by Christians. I think we are roughly talking about the same phenomenon here, but we're coming at it from different angles. I have also done a bit of research into the physics of these higher realms and it actually makes perfect sense.

I could write several books just about this topic, but that's enough for now. I hope we will continue our conversation and come to some new realisations.

Take care.

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

Yes, I totally agree with this. People often assume every entity they encounter to be their guide without thinking about the likeliness that there are negative things out there hellbent on deceiving people. This is why I would never get into stuff like channeling, as pretty much any entity can pick it up and play the role of an angel or guide.

Although I could be wrong, I think genuine guides don't casually appear or interact directly with their client on a daily base but in fact only appear in rare circumstances. Maybe even once in a lifetime. I'm telling this from personal experience as I've met a seemingly benevolent being once in a visitation dream in which she even fully manifested. But no matter how many times I beg or pray, something tells me she will never appear again and I'm just going to have to live with that fact.

You could connect to her, but it requires energy. It is not easy to break through to higher dimensional realms. You need to build up your inner strength and power. However, even when direct communication is impossible, because of the dimensional barrier, if it is a truly benevolent being that looks out for you, she will find ways to appear to you in dreams and guide you in other ways, such as bringing the right people or learning material into your life. She may be guiding you right now, without you knowing about it. I wouldn't give up in your place and seek ways to get in contact with her.

Also, from personal experience, heavenly beings are busy and usually only show up when they're genuinely needed. If you start to develop yourself spiritually and try to help others as much as possible, heaven might be more inclined to send you help. Btw, I say this as a non-Christian, it is simply my experience, having dealt with beings from this realm.

Originally Posted by bartholomew

The management of severe personal suffering is something that only a few have first hand experience with. It can be done. Could anyone do it? Yes but most folks need help from others. Could I do it? Yes. When in the throes of anguish it is inappropriate to offer counsel of strength and patience. No. It is much better to offer relief found through the use of high levels of will power. As we achieve that ability though we suddenly find that we know much more about what is happening than we did before. It is this understand which is given as a gift that is so very vital. With this in our possession we find that all will be well. Here's a hint. Suffering usually revolves around the detached self. The soul doesn't suffer, we, the personalities, do. So if we can manage to shift up drawing away from the body and close to the soul we find the freedom which we so yearn for. This ability is what the will power is for. So.... shifting up into higher mind (soul mind) is possible through application of will.

The above is no trivial statement. It was Divine Will, coupled with a vision of purpose then directed towards spiritual mass which constituted the force which caused the original creation of the physical universe. In each of us there is a little bit of God the creator. Yes. We can do such a thing.

agree, staying there - now that is interesting. thks

Originally Posted by bartholomew

f It is because of this difficulty that most religions dissuade the practice of spiritualism. They know of the dangers.

Agree - until i came to this forum recently I'd never seen so much talk of (xyz)

Religions are wise - Hafiz, Rumi, Buddha, Jesus

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by NoOne

You could connect to her, but it requires energy. It is not easy to break through to higher dimensional realms. You need to build up your inner strength and power. However, even when direct communication is impossible, because of the dimensional barrier, if it is a truly benevolent being that looks out for you, she will find ways to appear to you in dreams and guide you in other ways, such as bringing the right people or learning material into your life. She may be guiding you right now, without you knowing about it. I wouldn't give up in your place and seek ways to get in contact with her.

Also, from personal experience, heavenly beings are busy and usually only show up when they're genuinely needed. If you start to develop yourself spiritually and try to help others as much as possible, heaven might be more inclined to send you help. Btw, I say this as a non-Christian, it is simply my experience, having dealt with beings from this realm.

Ah yes, about that… You see, I'm spiritually doing very poorly and have no idea what to do with it. But I live by the code of treating others the same way they treat me and I have no problem with helping people if I can, although I'm definitely no hero who would jump in-between and break up a fight. I have no idea what rules to follow in order to become 'spiritual' and connect to guides/angels etc. People suggested meditation, but I find it impossible to focus and relax.

Originally Posted by NoOne

Hi James, yes, you're right. Those are very profound observations and I don't recall anyone else making them. Which must mean there are not a lot of people that are genuinely connecting to a higher power, whatever that may be.

I have written extensively about this on other forums, but most people have no idea what I'm talking about.

I have noticed quite a few similarities between your experiences and mine. I am also a conscious channeller, though it got me into a lot of trouble last year and ended in a witch-hunt. I swore off channelling for a while and my guide gave me a lot of space as I had to establish some distance between us and set some ground rules. We have gotten too close and it wasn't healthy. I also connected to what I call heavenly consciousness, a collective mind that all heavenly beings share. It was beautiful, but the complete loss of privacy was unnerving. There is really no hiding your thoughts there, however embarrassing they may be.

Like you said, I also discovered that the various energy centres in the body connect you to the corresponding higher (or lower) planes of existence. The crown chakra connects you to heaven and the beings that live there. In some ways, it feels like a funnel, where you are downloading pure energy, love and information, from a higher realm. David Icke actually reported a similar experience, when he had his awakening in Peru. I corresponded with him about this and I believe it to be a result of Kundalini activation. This fiery energy is also known as the Holy Ghost by Christians. I think we are roughly talking about the same phenomenon here, but we're coming at it from different angles. I have also done a bit of research into the physics of these higher realms and it actually makes perfect sense.

I could write several books just about this topic, but that's enough for now. I hope we will continue our conversation and come to some new realisations.

Take care.

You speak of your channeling experiences. Before my wife of 47 years passed I did public channeling events once a week or so in San Diego, CA. These were very rewarding for us all. I discovered things about the broad area of spirituality that might otherwise have taken a very long time if at all. I learned how to be humble about it. It was nothing to do with me. There is nothing like personal experience. I clearly recall testing myself as a critic might. Only I knew what it was like to be so close to such things. Before I began I had listened to other channels, mostly trance, and had the clear idea that they were many times relating their own past life experiences. I wondered "where is the philosophy of existence"? From that time on I've made philosophy my priority. I was, and remain, determined to explain specifically and in plain and simple language the "why" of things. I hate it that we seem to always stop short of clearly defining and giving a reason for something. So when I, through Bartholomew, write I do so in plain terms trying very hard to avoid "new agy" words and concepts. I don't call Bart by any fancy title. He's just a human soul who is more advanced and older than most of us are. Older brother. He's been around the Earth for ages. I guess you could call me a very conservative spiritualist.

In a response you mention universal mind. Bartholomew has written about this. If you don't mind I'll share a bit.

Creation is not something that happened once and then stopped. New human souls are being "birthed" continually. These are born in a group awareness setting and are cared for until the time comes when they will begin the long planetary journey. The goal is not knowledge but the wisdom that applied knowledge brings. This is the quality that we take with us when we leave the Earth behind.

Before a soul can begin on Earth It must learn the concept of individuality. This it does. It leaves the more normal group awareness behind. On Earth we are individuals in mostly group settings so it's kind of like a hybrid existence. The "separated" conditions found here on Earth require such. Some ask why bother. why not just learn wisdom in the spiritual realms? Because in those higher places it is not possible to meet and overcome adversity. Only in the lower created levels can such things happen. Since this is where wisdom comes from here we are. It is noteworthy to mention that any given time most souls on Earth are very junior. Only a few are advanced. This is the reason religions endure as they do. The need for the wisdom they provide is always valid. This is the reason we find spirituality expressed mostly colored by scripture.

Long ages later as we prepare to leave we again make a shift in awareness. It takes a long time really, many lifetimes, but now we are beginning to return to the group awareness which was our original condition. But we are no longer beginners. As we do so we begin to be aware of a group awareness, consciousness, being... Sometimes we call this awareness universal mind. My truth though is that what is happening is that we are joining kindred human souls who are in the same position in growth as are we. As this progresses we find that each of us in the group has the awareness of all the others. This is true even though Since we are now thinking using other minds as well as ours it is easy to think of this in a broader sense. When we, as individuals on Earth, suddenly become aware of such a large and sometimes very dramatic source that we should call this "universal" is understandable. My position though is that what is joined is just our group awareness. It is the group that Bartholomew is a member of which is the source of all that is channeled here on this forum.

When a soul is born (to spirit) it is a part of a group awareness. When human souls finally leave the Earth behind they do so again as parts of a group awareness. This is the reason it is so easy for some people to channel . They have access to a larger group body of experience than would an individual. Within this group awareness are remnants of individual memories. These are often identified by name. I believe,

You speak of your channeling experiences. Before my wife of 47 years passed I did public channeling events once a week or so in San Diego, CA. These were very rewarding for us all. I discovered things about the broad area of spirituality that might otherwise have taken a very long time if at all. I learned how to be humble about it. It was nothing to do with me. There is nothing like personal experience. I clearly recall testing myself as a critic might. Only I knew what it was like to be so close to such things. Before I began I had listened to other channels, mostly trance, and had the clear idea that they were many times relating their own past life experiences. I wondered "where is the philosophy of existence"? From that time on I've made philosophy my priority. I was, and remain, determined to explain specifically and in plain and simple language the "why" of things. I hate it that we seem to always stop short of clearly defining and giving a reason for something. So when I, through Bartholomew, write I do so in plain terms trying very hard to avoid "new agy" words and concepts. I don't call Bart by any fancy title. He's just a human soul who is more advanced and older than most of us are. Older brother. He's been around the Earth for ages. I guess you could call me a very conservative spiritualist.

In a response you mention universal mind. Bartholomew has written about this. If you don't mind I'll share a bit.

Creation is not something that happened once and then stopped. New human souls are being "birthed" continually. These are born in a group awareness setting and are cared for until the time comes when they will begin the long planetary journey. The goal is not knowledge but the wisdom that applied knowledge brings. This is the quality that we take with us when we leave the Earth behind.

Before a soul can begin on Earth It must learn the concept of individuality. This it does. It leaves the more normal group awareness behind. On Earth we are individuals in mostly group settings so it's kind of like a hybrid existence. The "separated" conditions found here on Earth require such. Some ask why bother. why not just learn wisdom in the spiritual realms? Because in those higher places it is not possible to meet and overcome adversity. Only in the lower created levels can such things happen. Since this is where wisdom comes from here we are. It is noteworthy to mention that any given time most souls on Earth are very junior. Only a few are advanced. This is the reason religions endure as they do. The need for the wisdom they provide is always valid. This is the reason we find spirituality expressed mostly colored by scripture.

Long ages later as we prepare to leave we again make a shift in awareness. It takes a long time really, many lifetimes, but now we are beginning to return to the group awareness which was our original condition. But we are no longer beginners. As we do so we begin to be aware of a group awareness, consciousness, being... Sometimes we call this awareness universal mind. My truth though is that what is happening is that we are joining kindred human souls who are in the same position in growth as are we. As this progresses we find that each of us in the group has the awareness of all the others. This is true even though Since we are now thinking using other minds as well as ours it is easy to think of this in a broader sense. When we, as individuals on Earth, suddenly become aware of such a large and sometimes very dramatic source that we should call this "universal" is understandable. My position though is that what is joined is just our group awareness. It is the group that Bartholomew is a member of which is the source of all that is channeled here on this forum.

When a soul is born (to spirit) it is a part of a group awareness. When human souls finally leave the Earth behind they do so again as parts of a group awareness. This is the reason it is so easy for some people to channel . They have access to a larger group body of experience than would an individual. Within this group awareness are remnants of individual memories. These are often identified by name. I believe, too, that when a channel continually channels a particular other soul that it will be a member of the same group. This is why such associations are so strong and enduring.

Lastly when a human being graduates and leaves the Earth's requirement for continued incarnations behind he or she does so in group formation. We leave as we came. Only as a part of a group can we manage the high energies that we will be meeting later. But it is important to note that these groups are not made up of individual souls. It only seems that way. It is a much more profound change. There is now a single conscious awareness made up of many who used to be individual. The group of souls is really a singular entity. The long aeons of the single personality are past.

After graduation we face choices about the kind of work that we will undertake. This is a separate topic though.

My apologies to Maexo who intended this topic discussion to be about gods and astrology, not all the stuff that we are talking about. But one could argue that astrology is the discipline which enables the greater lives. It surely is.

To Maexo I say that in all of this sometimes obtuse discourse there really are gods and archangels. They are the ones who position themselves between the far off energies which come to our system (via our own local creative center.... the sun) and manage them to the benefit of all. There are generally two kinds of astrology. First is that which is concerned with the personality. It serves well until the traveller becomes more advanced. When a woman or a man passes the point of outward journey and turns to begin the homeward path ordinary astrology no longer will be accurate. This is the reason that when astrologers have cast charts for advanced souls they have met with disappointment. This is a topic unto itself though.

Gods, angels and archangels too are great ones who have come further than have we. We we all are they used to be but probably they left lower plane living long before our solar system existed. This is far too complex a subject for this topic. Suffice to say gods and angels are real. The ones that we know about are those assigned to the Earth. Most of these have been here long before any biological life began on Earth. Those who have connections to far distant stars are established in a hierarchy of power which is discoverable though the higher, more esoteric, form of astrology. There is nothing magical about any of these. Everything that we sense in our spiritual world is very straightforward and logical.

When an angel brings a message to Earth it is really relating what is received by itself through being positioned in a location whereat a certain band of energy from afar can be intercepted and translated. This is the way that the distant great ones wield power. This statement is most profound.

Thanks to Maexo for allowing me to wander off topic without complaining.

James/Bartholomew too, that when a channel continually channels a particular other soul that it will be a member of the same group. This is why such associations are so strong and enduring.

Lastly when a human being graduates and leaves the Earth's requirement for continued incarnations behind he or she does so in group formation. We leave as we came. Only as a part of a group can we manage the high energies that we will be meeting later. But it is important to note that these groups are not made up of individual souls. It only seems that way. It is a much more profound change. There is now a single conscious awareness made up of many who used to be individual. The group of souls is really a singular entity. The long aeons of the single personality are past.

After graduation we face choices about the kind of work that we will undertake. This is a separate topic though.

My apologies to Maexo who intended this topic discussion to be about gods and astrology, not all the stuff that we are talking about. But one could argue that astrology is the discipline which enables the greater lives. It surely is.

To Maexo I say that in all of this sometimes obtuse discourse there really are gods and archangels. They are the ones who position themselves between the far off energies which come to our system (via our own local creative center.... the sun) and manage them to the benefit of all. There are generally two kinds of astrology. First is that which is concerned with the personality. It serves well until the traveller becomes more advanced. When a woman or a man passes the point of outward journey and turns to begin the homeward path ordinary astrology no longer will be accurate. This is the reason that when astrologers have cast charts for advanced souls they have met with disappointment. This is a topic unto itself though.

Gods, angels and archangels too are great ones who have come further than have we. We we all are they used to be but probably they left lower plane living long before our solar system existed. This is far too complex a subject for this topic. Suffice to say gods and angels are real. The ones that we know about are those assigned to the Earth. Most of these have been here long before any biological life began on Earth. Those who have connections to far distant stars are established in a hierarchy of power which is discoverable though the higher, more esoteric, form of astrology. There is nothing magical about any of these. Everything that we sense in our spiritual world is very straightforward and logical.

When an angel brings a message to Earth it is really relating what is received by itself through being positioned in a location whereat a certain band of energy from afar can be intercepted and translated. This is the way that the distant great ones wield power. This statement is most profound.

Thanks to Maexo for allowing me to wander off topic without complaining.

James/Bartholomew

[Moon Willow]

Your angels are always with you, even if you can't hear/see/feel/know them yet. Just start talking/connecting with them regularly and the right ones will come forward if you need help with something. Even if you can't articulate what it is you want they will know by your intentions.

After a while you will get to learn how their individual energy feels, if they have a particular fragrance, what colours are around them etc. It will depend on your abilities to what you notice the most.

Doreen Virtue has some good books for learning the basics and Angel Heart Radio also has lots of great info.

As for Gods, that's a completely personal journey and something you'll figure out along the way no doubt.

Have fun on your journey! :)

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

Ah yes, about that… You see, I'm spiritually doing very poorly and have no idea what to do with it. But I live by the code of treating others the same way they treat me and I have no problem with helping people if I can, although I'm definitely no hero who would jump in-between and break up a fight. I have no idea what rules to follow in order to become 'spiritual' and connect to guides/angels etc. People suggested meditation, but I find it impossible to focus and relax.

Meditation would certainly be a prerequisite. There are also psychedelics, but I would strongly discourage their use. Like Bartholomew said, it would most likely connect you to the wrong kind of entities. This is how most people with entity attachments ended up in the pickle they are in now.

I do not believe there are any shortcuts, but as we move from the old dark age into a new golden age, it becomes easier. I personally consider meditation as much a must as taking a daily shower. I feel dirty and unbalanced after a while if I don't meditate. It gets rid of the dross, cleans the pipes so to speak and raises your vibrations and energy levels.

Also, I don't know who your particular guardian deity or spirit is, but there are ways to invoke them through rituals. I have never done such a ritual though, so I have no idea if they are effective. However, various temples and churches are there for a reason, they help you establish an energetic link with the deity of your choice. If you can find a genuine artefact connected to the worship of a particular deity, it will help you establish an energetic connection to them. I found mine in a Museum, not realising what was happening at the time.

[NoOne]

Bartholomew, your previous post is way too long for me to formulate a full response, and I think some parts of it got double-posted, happens sometimes if there is a server glitch.

There are a few brief points I'd like to make.

Channelling is an imprecise and imperfect instrument. I find that my own mind, beliefs and expectations "colour" or in some cases contaminate the message coming through. This is something my spirit guides warned me about many times and asked me to use common sense and my own discernment to get the gist of the message. Particular details are often wrong.

I don't know much about soul birthing and the progression of each individualn soul, but it sounds interesting. I think the Hindu idea of soul evolution, from simple to complex life forms over millions of years is probably the closest to the truth.

Regarding collective consciousness, I was only connected to one, briefly, the one known as Elohim. As it turns out, they may have many individuals in their midst, but they share One mind. It gave me a mighty god complex and a feeling of invincibility and omnipotence. I'm not proud of that. This seems to happen to most people who connect to this higher universal mind, think about David Icke and his "son of God" blue tracksuit phase. Only people who are extremely humble and are truly ready should attempt to connect to a higher power. It is an unnerving experience to lose your individuality to a collective mind. For now, I prefer to keep myself separate and therefore relatively powerless.

Regarding gods and angels, I believe they are essentially the same, but with different roles and hierarchies. Heaven is higher dimensional space, but it extends beyond our planet and in our case, it encompasses the whole solar system, at the very least. Planets that look lifeless in 3D may be teeming with life in Higher-D. I believe that these higher beings exist in at least 6 dimensions, 3 spatial and 3 temporal. Because time has 3 dimensions for them, they view it as a place in a 3D construct, which they can go to or revisit any time they want. They do not observe a difference between their current and past selves. Their physical body from aeons ago is just as real and current to them as their ascended light body in our time. They move freely between their different selves in different time periods.

Anyways, thanks for the fascinating discussion.