I think god's punishment for suicide is unjust

Hopefully,none of us will ever find out if there is a punishment or not.This is one of the matters where during my study's,there is loads of false information.
As mentioned above,If God is all loving,he wouldn't give out punishment,maybe healing.

[Miss Hepburn]

I don't need to add anything because the posts are so clear!
Maybe something different, then...punishment is a misnomer...our loving
Creator Father doesn't punish.
(Impossible to believe for many, I know.
How can that be when we have the Old Testament making 'Him" out to be a jealous, fire-loving, monster? Right?)

Well, another way to re-frame this punishment idea, that's ingrained in so many, is to see it as teaching.
And what is it we are learning? Truth, Reality, Who we are; for what reason? To go back Home...is that a strange concept?
No stranger than we breathe out, so that we may breathe in.
No stranger than water being evaporated from the sea only to go through a
journey of all sorts through faucets, streams, sewers only to then go back to its source again. Wash and repeat.

Understanding this Creator, this Spiritual Being we call God takes personal contact, imo.
I would pursue that avenue, (lol, and have!)...because you are correct, Matt...what you think is too harsh is too harsh
for a Being that only wants our love.

[Native spirit]

I would have to agree with john



Namaste

[JosephineB]

Anyone that's desperate and suffering enough to end there life deserves healing and love on the otherside, not punishment.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

Anyone that's desperate and suffering enough to end there life deserves healing and love on the other side, not punishment.

Exactly.

[Altair]

I agree, I think it's unjust too if people are punished. I also think there's some truth in that suicide could lead to further suffering. But... it depends. Some people are in so much physical pain that the only way out for them is to end it. Most people do it with pets too, but often we think euthanasia is a taboo for humans. Then you have people who are very depressed and it doesn't mean they don't try to make something of life. That's a common myth. Many people try hard to improve, but this world does not treat us all equally. Then you have people who have nobody to love left, which is very painful too.

I don't want to judge.

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

Anyone that's desperate and suffering enough to end there life deserves healing and love on the otherside, not punishment.

Yes.

Originally Posted by hazada guess

As mentioned above,If God is all loving,he wouldn't give out punishment,maybe healing.

There were times it/he could get really nasty when "he" lost "his" temper (as declared in the Bible), plus what can you say about "his" playing politics with the devil using poor old Job as their fall-guy? Look at what it/he did to Job....
I surely could never love a god like that let alone be loved, not would I want to be in its sights.
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Lorelyen...I'm sorry,but I don't follow the bible,so I can't really comment,I treat the Bible like a history book that has been rewritten many times to suit mans agenda.
But from a spiritual point of view,I still stand by all I said.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

....I'm sorry,but I don't follow the bible,so I can't really comment.
I treat the Bible like a history book that has been rewritten many times to suit mans agenda.
But from a spiritual point of view,I still stand by all I said.

I could have written this exactly.

Originally Posted by hazada guess

Lorelyen...I'm sorry,but I don't follow the bible,so I can't really comment,I treat the Bible like a history book that has been rewritten many times to suit mans agenda.
But from a spiritual point of view,I still stand by all I said.

I was thinking of god's destruction of entire cities, Sodom and Gomorrah, simply because he didn't like a little bit of hanky-panky going on there. Peculiar, since he created the means for the hanky-panky to take place. All those innocents, though....

Yes, you're right. The Bible was a PR document for the Emperor Constantine who dictated what would go into the New Testament and not. He had to sell a consolidated form of Christianity that relied on Jesus Christ being the son of god. The only gospels that reached the NT were those that supported such a view. There were 12 disciples (13 if you include Mary Magdalene) but only 4 gospels got into the Bible. One has to ask why? It's a highly edited document.

Constantine needed a climate of fear, akin to the Jewish fear of god in the Old Testament, to control an increasingly sprawling Roman Empire. The fear of God and divine retribution, the threat of hell, worked, spread by the Roman Church hierarchy across Europe. Constantine had his fears though - that the other gospels would be found and the Gnostics who understood and broadcast them would blow the whistle - so he had the Gnostics murdered and copies of the remaining gospels destroyed. Unfortunately he didn't quite succeed and we now know a good bit about Jesus' other disciples and Mary.

But for Rome I doubt we'd have Christianity in the west....a small cult in Judea based on an exceptionally wise leader and just three years of ministry? The Book is a big part of the history of how Europe developed and how Christianity eventually reached America. It wasn't all peace and love. Far from it. But it was man made.
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