A question for Buddhists.

[mulyo13]

Originally Posted by CSEe

I could not agree with you mostly , but in my current mind , PERHAPS as one awaken to Buddhism , one is no longer holding on to the mind ...one realized the mind is constantly travelling in a natural process of Buddhism ...one will awakening to the mind but if one has accepted anything as a guide ...one is still holding on to the mind itself and this is leading one to longer journey into realization ...and suffering is the nature of this journey

I'm only let you know, that there's no teaching about 'nothingness' in Buddhism. If you insist that Buddhism teach 'nothingness', it's up to you...
I'm not interested to discuss/debate what is Buddhism.



Back to topic,
For me, Buddhism is a teaching and a path how to end the suffering where the root of suffering is in ourself, and how to become a person who understand about him/her self, understand his/her enviroment, understand the universe, understand about love,... and many more.

Buddhism can't be understood only by theory, by thinking and by conclusion. we could assumed that our self have already understand it, but the truth is we don't.
It just like a child ask his parent, how to become an adult person? No matter how clear and how long the explanation is, a child won't become an adult person just by hearing and understanding an explanation. A person must through many step, many difficulty, many experiences, many tears,..... etc, in his life to become an adult person. A child might act/behave/talk like an adult person, but when someone steal his candy, he/she cry.
There's no express/fast route in Buddhism.

[sky]

"I'm only let you know, that there's no teaching about 'nothingness' in Buddhism. If you insist that Buddhism teach 'nothingness', it's up to you... "

Mulyo, you are still attached to the idea that you are correct....
Buddhism teaches " non attachment to thoughts ".

It is difficult but you will get there in time.....

[mulyo13]

Originally Posted by sky123

"I'm only let you know, that there's no teaching about 'nothingness' in Buddhism. If you insist that Buddhism teach 'nothingness', it's up to you... "

Mulyo, you are still attached to the idea that you are correct....
Buddhism teaches " non attachment to thoughts ".

It is difficult but you will get there in time.....

If you think I'm attached to my idea that I'm correct, it's up to you... It's okay and you can add it as many as you like. I'm very grateful that you put attention to me :)

But, if it related to the truth/fact of the Buddhism teachings, or whether a Buddhist teacher ever teach so, I'll debate it and I will ask/give the proof of it. The most important thing is, the truth/fact is revealed. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it and be grateful because someone is correcting me. If that person is wrong or he can't proof it, and he still insist on it, it's up to that person.

[sky]

"But, if it related to the truth/fact of the Buddhism teachings, or whether a Buddhist teacher ever teach so, I'll debate it and I will ask/give the proof of it."


Buddha did not want us to become attached to his teachings but to see "what is within" by developing Vipassana.

There are two kinds of faith, one is blind trust in the Buddha and his teachings this is what starts us on the journey to learn Buddhism.

The second is true faith which come from "knowing oneself", this is beyond words, beyond symbols, beyond written teachings.

MY TEACHINGS ARE LIKE A RAFT TO CROSS THE RIVER,
WHEN YOU REACH SAFETY DISCARD THE RAFT.

BUDDHA.

[Busby]

Buddhism teaches us that we have to be prepared for death. Always. We don't know when that moment comes but by controlling our thoughts, words and actions we want to get to the state of being able to die whenever the moment comes - and be ready for this moment. If we aren't prepared and haven't kept to the path then we will be born again. That's what no Buddhist wants. For Buddhism it's also important to understand how the 'soul' should leave the body. If the 'soul' leaves through any other orifice than the fontanella then rebirth is assured. The way the 'soul' enterd the body (through the open fontanella) is the only way to die to not be reborn. A very good description of the human dying process is in 'The Tibeten Book of the Dead' or 'The Tibeten Book of living and Dying'.
In Buddhism it's always made clear that each one of us is responsible for all that we cause and all that we believe in.
Tomorrow may be your last day - so make sure your thoughts the whole day are free of falseness. The last thought you have before you die accompanies you on your journey, as it gives that little clue as to how you have lived another life.
It is said in Buddhism that we live as many times as it takes for the brushing of an eagle's wings to flatten Everest to ground level...!

[CSEe]

Hi mulyo13 , you said , I quote " I'm only let you know, that there's no teaching about 'nothingness' in Buddhism. If you insist that Buddhism teach 'nothingness', it's up to you...
I'm not interested to discuss/debate what is Buddhism." Un-quote........it seems to me that you accept Buddhism as a teaching of Siddharta and accept it as a form of knowledge ......yes in current human culture , human indeed accepted knowledge as basis of ' right" verses " wrong"....true verses false ....in my current mind , Buddhism is all about realization ......and realization is not knowledge .........




Back to topic,
For me, Buddhism is a teaching and a path how to end the suffering where the root of suffering is in ourself, and how to become a person who understand about him/her self, understand his/her enviroment, understand the universe, understand about love,... and many more.

Buddhism can't be understood only by theory, by thinking and by conclusion. we could assumed that our self have already understand it, but the truth is we don't.
It just like a child ask his parent, how to become an adult person? No matter how clear and how long the explanation is, a child won't become an adult person just by hearing and understanding an explanation. A person must through many step, many difficulty, many experiences, many tears,..... etc, in his life to become an adult person. A child might act/behave/talk like an adult person, but when someone steal his candy, he/she cry.
There's no express/fast route in Buddhism.[/quote]
........yes as I have said Buddhism in my current mind is a natural process of realization ...but if one attached to knowledge and accept knowledge as the guide , one will travel further away from realization .......

[sky]

Originally Posted by CSEe

Hi mulyo13 , you said , I quote
" I'm only let you know, that there's no teaching about 'nothingness' in Buddhism. If you insist that Buddhism teach 'nothingness', it's up to you...
I'm not interested to discuss/debate what is Buddhism." Un-quote........it seems to me that you accept Buddhism as a teaching of Siddharta and accept it as a form of knowledge ......yes in current human culture , human indeed accepted knowledge as basis of ' right" verses " wrong"....true verses false ....in my current mind , Buddhism is all about realization ......and realization is not knowledge .........




Back to topic,
For me, Buddhism is a teaching and a path how to end the suffering where the root of suffering is in ourself, and how to become a person who understand about him/her self, understand his/her enviroment, understand the universe, understand about love,... and many more.

Buddhism can't be understood only by theory, by thinking and by conclusion. we could assumed that our self have already understand it, but the truth is we don't.
It just like a child ask his parent, how to become an adult person? No matter how clear and how long the explanation is, a child won't become an adult person just by hearing and understanding an explanation. A person must through many step, many difficulty, many experiences, many tears,..... etc, in his life to become an adult person. A child might act/behave/talk like an adult person, but when someone steal his candy, he/she cry.
There's no express/fast route in Buddhism.

........yes as I have said Buddhism in my current mind is a natural process of realization ...but if one attached to knowledge and accept knowledge as the guide , one will travel further away from realization .......[/quote]



Sunya in Sanskrit means.... ' zero/nothing '


Ta in context, a suffix, means.... ' ness '

[RyanWind]

It's possible to experience what is differently.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

........yes as I have said Buddhism in my current mind is a natural process of realization ...but if one attached to knowledge and accept knowledge as the guide , one will travel further away from realization .......



Sunya in Sanskrit means.... ' zero/nothing '


Ta in context, a suffix, means.... ' ness

Sunyata means and is accepted to mean in any teaching as Emptiness.

As in all things are like clouds they seem to have form but in truth they are empty. All "things" that would be thoughts, feelings, your body, the chair all things are made up of energy and are empty.

Emptiness is first experienced in meditation in states of Samadhi. As one progresses one starts to feel energy flowing through them. With time one is able to reside within that energy and be one with the things around them. As that energy which is empty and the oneness of things.

It is the teaching of the Heart Sutra in Buddhism.

Void=form and form =Void.

Hope this helps,

Tom

[sky]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Sunyata means and is accepted to mean in any teaching as Emptiness.

As in all things are like clouds they seem to have form but in truth they are empty. All "things" that would be thoughts, feelings, your body, the chair all things are made up of energy and are empty.

Emptiness is first experienced in meditation in states of Samadhi. As one progresses one starts to feel energy flowing through them. With time one is able to reside within that energy and be one with the things around them. As that energy which is empty and the oneness of things.

It is the teaching of the Heart Sutra in Buddhism.

Void=form and form =Void.

Hope this helps,

Tom

Thanks Tom, I do understand that Theravada and Mahayana teach Sunyata to mean ' emptiness ' but Zen use ' Sunyata ' to mean ' Nothingness'....

Huineng taught that wu-i-wu ( nothingness) is true purity.