Does astral projection really prove life after death??

[metal68]

It seems to me that even if it really is the mind leaving the body, it may still require a living brain to transmit from; it doesn't automatically mean survival necessarily.

It could still be the end of the experience when the brain dies

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

i look at it this way:
life is "provable". we can observe, and that fact alone constitutes proof.
death is "non-provable"; it is always 'known' secondhand -- like heresay.
the cessation of being is not a thing that can be experienced...
it's simply impossible.
a transition of being from one state into another is possible;
that'd be like walking through a doorway into another location.

maybe it comes down to a question of what you define yourself as.
if you consider yourself a specific object within a particular timeframe...
you may well have an expiration date.

[Tobi]

Astral projection depends on the 'operator' to 'prove' anything at all about life after death. As there are so many variables with the consciousness of operators, and this can fluctuate and be open to 'errors', it can prove nothing except to the person who is experiencing at the time, and their own subjective ability to interpret what they are experiencing....so I feel about it anyway.

'Proof' via astral projection can only be anecdotal, at least at this stage of our development, I feel.

Re: the dependence of consciousness on the brain etc. It's a bit of a cliché but just because a car has ceased to function and gone through a crusher doesn't mean the driver has. He's probably at home having his dinner by now! (not a perfect example. I'll try to think up a better one.)

[snow87]

There is the possibility that the physical body creates and maintains the astral body. I know if I have ever felt unwell I have less chi energy and my aura looks thinner.

Perhaps the astral body only can survive for a limited amount of time without a physical body and then recycles itself through reincarnation or something. Impossible to prove.

[Golden Eagle]

Dying and coming back is the proof ~

Consciousness CANNOT die ...... the brain is NOT Consciousness , it is a receiver. Smash your radio to pieces ....did you kill the music ?

[skygazer]

Originally Posted by metal68

It seems to me that even if it really is the mind leaving the body, it may still require a living brain to transmit from; it doesn't automatically mean survival necessarily.

It could still be the end of the experience when the brain dies

"Does astral projection really prove life after death?"

No. We don't have the tools to "prove" it. It's like trying to place a square inside a circle when they are the same size. We are dealing with different properties.

The idea that mind leaves the body during AP is not really correct. The body isn't left as an empty shell. In many ways it's a matter of other perceptions awakening to other environments.

We are not our brain. Our mind is not the brain either. We are essence that permeates several realities, material and non-material, depending on our genetics.

[dutchiexx]

Originally Posted by metal68

It seems to me that even if it really is the mind leaving the body, it may still require a living brain to transmit from; it doesn't automatically mean survival necessarily.

It could still be the end of the experience when the brain dies

i have struggled with this question as well, just because we have the ability to leave our body doesnt promise that we can survive without the brain, its possible that our brains are somehow required to experience ap.
maybe our brains connect us to the astral and other dimensions, and without it, we cant experience consciencess maybe.
on the bright side, ap kinda does point to the fact that we survive after death for a number of reasons.
some claim to be able to contact others who have lived and already died while they project into the astral.
there are reports of people who have died in hospitals and still experienced consciencness out side of there body after they were clinicly dead, while they had no brain activity what so ever.
on the darker side, the brain is a powerfull thing and is able to trick itself into believing something is real, even though it might not be.
also, the pineal glan or " third eye" is infact a part of our brain and is believed to act as a gateway into the astral and other dimensions, so without it, we may not be able to experience conscienceness after death of our physical body. on the other hand, our third eye might just simply help us experience the astral while in the physical world and not really be required to exist out side our body.
as of right now, i dont think our science is capable of explaining and proving without any doubt that we can survive after death.
so i like to look at it like this, if we cant exist without a working brain, then all life is pointless and nothing matters, because if you dont exist, you wont be around to think about how ****ty it is that you dont exist.
and if we do survive death, then awsome, we will get the chance to look back on our lives and laugh at how petty and egotistic we were while alive in the physical.

so it doesnt matter if we do survive death or we dont survive death because either its a win! lol

[BlackHoleSun]

Astral Projection? No... but NDE's? Yes. You should start heavily researching near death experiences. You'll get your proof there. There's even scientists who swear up and down that they have experienced consciousness after complete brain death. Quite heavily documented, actually.

Secondly, you should find some of the really amazing research that's been done concerning reincarnation. One psychologist in particular compiled very compelling evidence about it. Google should get you the info you need about it. There's even some great documentaries on YouTube about it. Children able to tell in vivid detail about their previous lives, and even visiting and meeting people from those lives. It gets pretty deep.

[dutchiexx]

[quote=BlackHoleSun]Astral Projection? No... but NDE's? Yes. You should start heavily researching near death experiences. You'll get your proof there. There's even scientists who swear up and down that they have experienced consciousness after complete brain death. Quite heavily documented, actually.

Secondly, you should find some of the really amazing research that's been done concerning reincarnation. One psychologist in particular compiled very compelling evidence about it. Google should get you the info you need about it. There's even some great documentaries on YouTube about it. Children able to tell in vivid detail about their previous lives, and even visiting and meeting people from those lives. It gets pretty deep.[/QUOT

i believe a NDE takes place in the astral, just like ap. it really doesnt make sense to think a nde is different from projecting.only difference between the two is how you get there.

[Shivani Devi]

Just like to chime in here with a scientific speculation - what if NDE's are the result of an oxygen starved brain?

Even as a Spiritual Medium, I cannot say there is an afterlife with great certainty - I may be channeling martians, who knows?

It's something one has to take at 'faith value' - did I just make that up? lol