'ISness"

Originally Posted by hybrid

andrew its just a word.
i think finding contradiction is easy if you're looking for it. since the mind is always split in duality, there is always a polar side to side with and another polarity to argue with.

you wanna know where conflict is coming from?
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yes, just a word, perhaps one that comes in handy when stating a position, but of course not the only way to state a position as fact. As we know, nothing I say can be other than absolute Truth, and anyone who disagrees doesn't understand what I'm saying.
Conflict happens with or without the word.

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

Hi Tzu,
Nice thread.
When I read it, what comes to my mind is that I can sense within myself a 'wish' of sorts that when I dip my hand in water, that I would have no word, such as wet, to describe the feeling.
James

Yes, that's it, actually' the sensation without the mental description. The Isness without the verbal encryption.

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Phroggy

As we know, nothing I say can be other than absolute Truth, and anyone who disagrees doesn't understand what I'm saying. conflict happens with or without the word.

every **** tom and harry think so. and every joe and jane think otherwise.
and the conflict begins here , mostly word wars.
so they do happen because of the minds propensity to disagree. and we disagree because we don't understand what they are saying. and we don't understand because we are not listening from the absolute truth.

we don't listen from the absolute truth because we love to waddle on the surface of relative truth.
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[andrew g]

Originally Posted by Phroggy

yes, just a word, perhaps one that comes in handy when stating a position, but of course not the only way to state a position as fact. As we know, nothing I say can be other than absolute Truth, and anyone who disagrees doesn't understand what I'm saying.
Conflict happens with or without the word.

That was clever and made me chuckle. But I think if we look closely, 'doesnt' and 'is' are the same thing, and I think 'be' and 'is' are the same thing. They fix 'things' eternally and constantly.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by hybrid

every **** tom and harry think so. and every joe and jane think otherwise.
and the conflict begins here , mostly word wars.
so they do happen because of the minds propensity to disagree. and we disagree because we don't understand what they are saying. and we don't understand because we are not listening from the absolute truth.

we don't listen from the absolute truth because we love to waddle on the surface of relative truth.
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I think if everyone realized that there is no relative truth there would be no more conflict - the idea of relative truth is an oxymoron in itself. I think for as long as humans are caught in this duality of truth/falsity, there will be conflict.

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by andrew g

I think if everyone realized that there is no relative truth there would be no more conflict - the idea of relative truth is an oxymoron in itself. I think for as long as humans are caught in this duality of truth/falsity, there will be conflict.

to realize that there is no relative truth is to realize absolute truth. from the evolutionary perspective, our state of consciousness is duality because our brain developed in such a way that we have the capacity to be self aware (fall from eden). this is what makes us human and different from animals. in the past this self awareness was vital to our development and survival as a specie.

some makes it sound that non dual self realization would bring us back to an animal like state ( pre-adamic/pre fall period) where our ability to self reflect and make duality judgment is minimized if not totally gone.
this i think is not possible simply because evolution is not reversible

what is in store for human is to capitalized self awareness to recognized awareness itself only. this new state of consciousness will in turn aid the evolutionary process to "reform" the brain so as to gradually develop a smaller medial prefrontal cortex (responsible for self awareness). then and only then that humans will not be caught up in duality and conflict will be a thing of the past.

then these modern humans will live in perfect unity driven by a single awareness. but not like the ants. it would be totally different. beyond our present capacity to imagine. but it will be nice.

just speculatin ,,,,.
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[andrew g]

Originally Posted by hybrid

to realize that there is no relative truth is to realize absolute truth. from the evolutionary perspective, our state of consciousness is duality because our brain developed in such a way that we have the capacity to be self aware (fall from eden). this is what makes us human and different from animals. in the past this self awareness was vital to our development and survival as a specie.

Yes. I agree.

some makes it sound that non dual self realization would bring us back to an animal like state ( pre-adamic/pre fall period) where our ability to self reflect and make duality judgment is minimized if not totally gone.
this i think is not possible simply because evolution is not reversible

I agree. We wouldnt go 'back' we would go forward.

what is in store for human is to capitalized self awareness to recognized awareness itself only. this new state of consciousness will in turn aid the evolutionary process to "reform" the brain so as to gradually develop a smaller medial prefrontal cortex (responsible for self awareness). then and only then that humans will not be caught up in duality and conflict will be a thing of the past.

Sounds good to me. I would say that rather than 'having' self-awareness we would 'become' the self-awareness.

then these modern humans will live in perfect unity driven by a single awareness. but not like the ants. it would be totally different. beyond our present capacity to imagine. but it will be nice.

Yes :) :) Jenn has visions sometimes, and she dreams at night about this stuff. The most I get is a 'sense'. Jenn has actually suggested that at some point some of the players on this forum might actually be doing some kind of pointy pussing together. I dont know about that but it wouldnt surprise me. I think its possible there is more happening on this forum than might meet the eye. Just speculatin' though.

just speculatin ,,,,.
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Speculatin is nice sometimes.

Greetings..

That's the thing about 'ISness'.. if you don't start there, you can just conceptualize whatever stories you fancy, but.. suspend the 'story machine' (thinking) for while and experience the 'isness'.. then, the story-machine is much closer to what 'is'..

Be well..

hybrid- we don't listen from the absolute truth because we love to waddle on the surface of relative truth.

nicely said, i agree.

Originally Posted by hybrid

to realize that there is no relative truth is to realize absolute truth. from the evolutionary perspective, our state of consciousness is duality because our brain developed in such a way that we have the capacity to be self aware (fall from eden). this is what makes us human and different from animals. in the past this self awareness was vital to our development and survival as a specie.

some makes it sound that non dual self realization would bring us back to an animal like state ( pre-adamic/pre fall period) where our ability to self reflect and make duality judgment is minimized if not totally gone.
this i think is not possible simply because evolution is not reversible

what is in store for human is to capitalized self awareness to recognized awareness itself only. this new state of consciousness will in turn aid the evolutionary process to "reform" the brain so as to gradually develop a smaller medial prefrontal cortex (responsible for self awareness). then and only then that humans will not be caught up in duality and conflict will be a thing of the past.

then these modern humans will live in perfect unity driven by a single awareness. but not like the ants. it would be totally different. beyond our present capacity to imagine. but it will be nice.

just speculatin ,,,,.
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