Message from Babaji

Originally Posted by Xan

ahhh... but enlightenment is not from information.

It's entirely experiential and without thought and can't be arrived at through mental processes.

... in your apparently unjustifiable opinion.

Don't you think this board would be a lot better if people backed up their opinions with something more than 'Because I say so'?

I personally think a lot of bad karma comes from willfully risking people's progress with information you don't actually know to be true.

Brain wave studies show patterns in the low Theta range with those in deep meditation, experiencing silent awareness.

... caused by neurons firing a bit slower than usual.

Do you know Yogananda's writings about the ideational body?

[Xan]

... in your apparently unjustifiable opinion.

There are many writings and teachings on enlightenment, or waking up in our true nature, that say the same thing, Aquarian.

It's a discovery beyond the conceptual mind.

But I think we've both expressed our views on this issue enough here.

Bowing out...


Xan

Originally Posted by Xan

... in your apparently unjustifiable opinion.

There are many writings and teachings on enlightenment, or waking up in our true nature, that say the same thing, Aquarian.

Feel free to disclose any credible ones so that the rest of us can judge their validity. Like I do, below.

God gave us a mind to distinguish truth in this world of delusion, so that we can find our way back to Him.

We only know of Babaji through Yogananda. In his Autobiography of a Yogi, he recounts the words of his resurrected Master, Sri Yukteswar. In this particular extract, Sri Yukteswar is talking about the stage after the second ascension of those who have left this world enlightened enough to break the cycle of reincarnation.

"Causal desires are fulfilled by perception only. The nearly-free beings who are encased only in the causal body see the whole universe as realizations of the dream-ideas of God; they can materialize anything and everything in sheer thought."

[Xan]

Aquarian... There are so many credible writings I couldn't possible list them all, but for a start there's The Bhagavad Gita, The Vedas, The Upanishads, Tao Te Ching... and in modern times, writings from Ramana Maharshi, H.W.L. Poonjaji, Adyashanti, Gangaji, Eckhart Tolle, to mention just a few.

Many of us did first hear about Babaji in Autobiography of a Yogi. Here's a more recent and thorough personal description you might find interesting:

http://www.babaji.net/teachings-babaji.htm


Xan

That's a fake Babaji. Having actually died is a bit of a giveaway and of course Babaji's own 'church' in the West (via Yogananda), the SRF, reject him.
There is at least one other impersonation FYI.

Here's another passage from the same chapter.

"You have read in the scriptures," Master went on, "that God encased the human soul successively in three bodies-the idea, or causal, body; the subtle astral body, seat of man's mental and emotional natures; and the gross physical body. On earth a man is equipped with his physical senses. An astral being works with his consciousness and feelings and a body made of lifetrons. A causal-bodied being remains in the blissful realm of ideas."

The "scriptures" of course referring to those Hindu sacred texts you mention.

[Xan]

Aquarian, if you think the most recent incarnation of Babaji is fake, there's nothing more to say.


blessings on your chosen way
Xan

Originally Posted by Xan

Aquarian, if you think the most recent incarnation of Babaji is fake, there's nothing more to say.

Your thinking that fraud was real is exactly what I've been talking about in this thread. You've also just proven to everyone here that your ability to be deceived is very high.

Unless you're claiming Yogandanda rejected Babaji and set up a church which would renounce a real Babaji (who could/would do nothing to change that) then you have to believe he's fake.

Also Babaji is deathless. He's at least hundreds of years old and has maintained the same body throughout -- if you believe Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar, Lahiri Mahasaya, Ram Gopal and probably others.

[Xan]

To know what's real I don't go by authorities but intuitive knowing.

I hope you don't miss out on real discoveries for yourself because of holding on and holding back.

I will not respond to you here again.


blessings
Xan

Is there no cracking through that ego?

There is no shame in being deluded. We all are. I strongly doubt there is a single person on this board who can reliably tell truth from delusion in these subtle matters.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Aquarian

Is there no cracking through that ego?

There is no shame in being deluded. We all are. I strongly doubt there is a single person on this board who can reliably tell truth from delusion in these subtle matters.

That's pretty strong, Aquarian.
Could you think of another way to communicate that?
Gee.
I mean feel or think what you wish, of course, valid or not - but that was strong -at least for me.
If you 2 were close personal friends and that's the way
you guys talk with each other, that'd be different.