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Old 16-03-2022, 09:41 AM
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Thus, there is a two-fold paradigm/paradox between self and Other than us.
"If you can explain it to a six-year-old you know what you're talking about."
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If there is not two there is no paradox. The paradigm comes from the emanation of differentiated - differentiated not separate - consciousness.
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Old 16-03-2022, 09:47 AM
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Our awareness is a window which allows the Oneness to be aware of itself in all aspects.
I'd add all perspectives to that mix too, but yes. Oneness can't perceive/become aware of itself itself unless it is 'not-Oneness'.

Another Yes!! for the feedback loop, although some call it karma.
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Old 16-03-2022, 11:47 AM
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Oneness can't perceive/become aware of itself itself unless it is 'not-Oneness'.
I'd say One is aware of itself even if not manifest as multiplicity. I don't need to look in a mirror to know I exist. The same awareness that is aware of my reflection is also aware of the absence of my reflection. Even in the deepest state of meditation I can achieve, when time dilates and seems like only seconds pass when the timer goes off, I am aware of an indeterminate amount of time passing in the meditative state. It seems to be awareness minus body and mind. An awareness of simply existing. I conclude it's the very same awareness that undergirds all experience, whether waking, dreaming, deep dreamless sleep and deep meditation.

I would say it is in fact Awareness AKA Brahman. It's what we are. What we call being aware or conscious is that Awareness illumining mind. Non-local Awareness illumining (or reflected in) billions of minds. Like the image of the Sun reflected in billions of pots of water. Remove those pots of water and the Sun still shines, however with nothing to illumine.
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Old 16-03-2022, 02:58 PM
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Take it or leave it.

Experiences, feels nothing?
Ok - this is my direct, personal, intimate experience for decades, in other words...
not some one time, fleeting fluke exp. :)

This Being, God - is nothing if not feeeeeling - profound pain, unquenchable compassion, and
a bleeding, sacred heart many could never imagine; along with a bliss, that also, many have never experienced or could imagine.

Anyone can speculate or intellectualize or guess all they want, tho...I mean...go ahead.
This is what 'He', with no gender - has revealed to me and turned me into
a stunned, filled-with-awe person; and I have no idea why. (I mean, obviously, I needed it to
crack open this closed heart...we all get what we need. Did I deserve these exps...some ask, Do I think I'm special?
Ah, that sure would be a, "No"!)
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Old 16-03-2022, 03:40 PM
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I'm very eager to know, whether this experience continues every moment or you get deviated from it/him?
You continuously seek him every moment or something other than him (like Knowledge or people or etc., other than food/money for living)?
Hello, Well, you can us your own intuition or common sense on this one.
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Old 16-03-2022, 03:41 PM
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For awareness, there seems to be a necessary preference of experiencing something as opposed to nothing,

But experiencing nothing is also an experience of something. There is no way to stop perceiving. If you get inside one of those sensory deprivation tanks you still experience and perceive that. It you stop thinking, you experience what that is like.

A lot of times the preference is for nothing as opposed to something. Do you want to eat this fish? No I'd rather have nothing. But nothing and something are both experienced and perceived.
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Old 16-03-2022, 03:48 PM
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Does this mean that the Ultimate Being that we are, experiences nothing, and that awareness itself is part of the illusion?

I think every "energy atom" that is perceiving or aware is a part of the stuff the collective "Ultimate Being" experiences.

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Old 17-03-2022, 09:01 AM
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I am aware of an indeterminate amount of time passing in the meditative state. It seems to be awareness minus body and mind.
Yes, but you are "aware of" and that's the key phrase. And if you are aware of time passing albeit slowly and being in a meditative state? When there is nothing to be aware of, and not even awareness of being?

I've been in states of consciousness when there was just awareness and nothing else - not even a feeling of 'I' nor 'I am'.

If the sun still shines but there is no 'not-sun' to see it shine?
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Old 17-03-2022, 09:11 AM
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But nothing and something are both experienced and perceived.
But nothing is something, otherwise can it be perceived at all? And since this is a non-Duality thread - and I'm not even going to mention that what is Duality and what is not Duality IS Duality - the experiencer and the experienced are one and the same, and the perceiver and the perceived are one and the same.

If you experience or perceive Oneness or separation or anything else, you are in effect perceiving and experiencing yourself.

Maybe the question is what is the question?
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Old 17-03-2022, 09:32 AM
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Yes, but you are "aware of" and that's the key phrase. And if you are aware of time passing albeit slowly and being in a meditative state? .....

I've been in states of consciousness when there was just awareness and nothing else - not even a feeling of 'I' nor 'I am'.
Same thing, I think. There is no time or it's indeterminate. It only seems to have dilated after the timer goes off and I'm back "outside" the sitting when mind comes back online. "Inside" the sitting there's something but it's not a thing. No mind. No body. No time. No I. The best analogy is probably deep sleep but the contrast is much sharper because the two mind states are immediately proximate. Intellectual knowing is after the fact, outside of sitting, informed by a "knowing" that much more time passed than body and mind perceive, which is exactly zero.There is no cognition "inside".

This seems to be the experience/perception/insight (I don't even know which word is appropriate. LOL!) "I cannot say I know it well and yet cannot say I know it not" from the Kena Upanishad. In fact I can say the same thing about Awareness right now while awake, "behind" all the chitta, all the mind-stuff. In one respect it's just very, very subtle and yet in another it's the defining fact of our existence. The Extraordinary masquerading as the ordinary.

Sometimes it becomes blatantly obvious, for a time. I believe that's what we call an Awakening or mystical experience.

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