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19-04-2015, 09:10 AM
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This shift will not come from a single guru going to the top and changing things. The shift comes from you. From all the people. You need to start to demand true surrender and letting go from the gurus. Any guru who can’t do that, is not accepted. Such demands can only come from people who themselves have a good understanding. To spread the understanding, we require freedom of speech for example, and many will not like the truths this freedom can and will carry. Today we accept the materially powerful and passive gurus, because our demands are low. When the truth establishes itself socially, people will see with different eyes, and those on the top, will fall, because what they are supported by, are leaving them – leaving them for a new way of life on earth. It’s a global awakening, and it is an awakening that needs to happen. And we are together.
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19-04-2015, 09:20 AM
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This awakening is happening now, right here, and elsewhere. It is happening by you going inside, searching, and finding, and then living it, without doubt.
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19-04-2015, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Free1
It is just that there is a tremendous mundane power in money, and I do not see any truly creative acting. A radical attitude towards money alone, from a powerful person, would send waves through the world.
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And by a powerful person, do you mean someone who is rich or empowered organisationally !
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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19-04-2015, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ajay00
And by a powerful person, do you mean someone who is rich or empowered organisationally !
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19-04-2015, 10:59 AM
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Yes. That is mundane power.
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It is said that the combined military budgets of the world, just that for a week, is suffice to ensure proper schooling, healthcare and necessary resources for all the children in the world for years.
If you can take some steps in this regard, that may prove more productive than asking the rich gurus or wealthy in general to renounce their wealth.
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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19-04-2015, 11:22 AM
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It is that I expect something else from gurus then collecting money.
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19-04-2015, 11:29 AM
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Renouncing as in not receiving maybe is not necessary, but the money does not flow through the Gurus, they stop and build up there. Why?
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19-04-2015, 11:30 AM
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It is that I expect something else from gurus then collecting money.
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Gurus collect money because they have objectives and goals like charity, taking care of the environment and stuff.
Rather than condemning the gurus, condemn the militaries of the world which spends hundreds of billions on making bombs and ammunition for dumping on others, not to mention the tremondous negative effect on green house warming and environment.
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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19-04-2015, 11:37 AM
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Are the gurus any better? We are together.
What have Tolle, for example, told about his financial objectives? (I do not know)
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19-04-2015, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Free1
Are the gurus any better? We are together.
What have Tolle, for example, told about his financial objectives? (I do not know)
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Tolle , I last heard, have 4 million dollars . It is really not a major amount, if you ask me.
The American military spent about 718 billion dollars just in 2011.
Maybe you are targeting the wrong dude.
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When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always. ~ Swami Satchidananda
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1
If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the (turbulent) mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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