Freedom - what does it entail?

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Originally Posted by Paul C.

Would you mind answering a few questions so we can explore this a little further?

1. Can you tell me sound what your intuition tells you about me?

2. What exactly do you know from intuitive thought/feeling/guidance?

3. How do you know?

4. What is the sense of trust in?

1. I don’t very often express publicly what I intuit about others. I don’t provide readings for other people. My intuition works for me in relation to my own experience. Most of what I pick up about you can be attributed to what you have already shared both here in your posts and what you have added in your profile.

2. I know what does and doesn’t feel safe, true, sincere, important, effective, productive, appropriate, relative, natural etc for me. What I do with that information is another story.
Sometimes I go ahead and do something (or not) due to what I ‘think’ is my intuition guiding me and it doesn’t work out like I expected it to. In those instances I am relying solely on what I 'think' and not what I intuitively know.

3. My intuition reveals that it is so …

4. Trust in my intuition to guide me …

Paul,

Intuition is the faculty beyond rational thought that decides what is and isn't true. Rationality is a tool to refine our intuitive faculty. But if you have decided at any point what the truth is, you have employed your intuitive understanding to make the decision.

Here is a mathematician and logician's understanding of intuition:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuitionism
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/intuitionism/

Topology and sound, I am unable to fully respond at present to your comments, just to let you know I am with you, I disagree (as usual) and will share why soon, have a wonderful interlude

Originally Posted by PaulChapmanTasmania

Topology and sound, I am unable to fully respond at present to your comments, just to let you know I am with you, I disagree (as usual) and will share why soon, have a wonderful interlude

I am looking forward to your response. I suspect we are laboring under different understandings of what intuition is, operating with different definitions of the word. If you would, please define what intuition is to you and where it fits into the mind and what faculties are superior.

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Originally Posted by PaulChapmanTasmania

Topology and sound, I am unable to fully respond at present to your comments, just to let you know I am with you, I disagree (as usual) and will share why soon, have a wonderful interlude

No worries Paul ... enjoy your evening

If freedom involves doing exactly as you please, whenever you please. It is possible that true freedom may only be found within the mental realms of imagination.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by Neville

If freedom involves doing exactly as you please, whenever you please. It is possible that true freedom may only be found within the mental realms of imagination.

Good point Nev. How about though if it just so happened that all that we desired to do was stuff that we CAN do, so there was no reference for NOT being able to do stuff that we desired to do? Kind of like a cheat's way of being free hehe.

[Darky]

I would say that Freedom is to be who you are without any regrets

My belief: The nature of the physical world is limitation. The only freedom we have is to be considerate and loving towards ourselves and other life or to reject this truth and to be self-centered. All other so-called freedoms are superfluous and transitory.

TzuJanLi, you aked why Spirituality is Hidden? The anser to this has to begin this peice otherwise you will not understand a thing if you stick to what you already know.

You wrote: Spirituality, as i understand it, is revealed when we get out of our own way.. when we are sincerely looking to see what 'is', rather than looking for what we 'think' it should be.. In a funny way I kind of agree with you here, although that does not necessarily mean that you have any ability to do this, especially the part of looking to see 'what is'.
Spirituality is hidden because it is OUTSIDE, outside of your feeling, outside of your thoughts, outside of your inner being, outside of your senses, outside of anything that you can identify.
What EXACTLY (and this is a question) are you using to evaluate "what is"?
Indiesongwriter has hit on spirituality in a simple sentence.
I will attempt to give a reason for this (please correct me if I misrepresent you indiesongwriter.)

Indie used the term self-centred, I will replace this word with ego, or recpetion for oneself.
Despite what TzuJanLi stated, the ego in my writings means the desire to receive that benefits oneself over another.

The world we live in is a world of reception. All beings operate on reception, the majority being instinctually driven by the conditoning of their environment and genetic make up. This includes human beings. Humans do have the potential to further develop instinctual consciousness to independent consciousness where the choice of why to receive becomes possible.

In regard to the purpose of life this next stage is called 'spiritual' it is the ONLY means by which a person can exit their natural tendency to operate strictly for themselves, and enter into spirituality where concern for others becomes the norm.

Originally Posted by PaulChapmanTasmania
As I said TsuJanLi we judge the world by our own flaws.
You say much.. I judge the world by what is consistent with the way things 'are', your evaluation of how "we" judge is really only applicable to you.."We cannot judge anything in this world, even what we might think things are. This is NOT how we enter into spirituality.
" i really don't have time for games or people not willing to see beyond
their own beliefs.." Are YOU willing to SEE beyond your own beliefs?

This world is specifically designed to conceal spirituality, it is designed like this because any attempt to enter spirituality that is motivated by the ego, by the will to receive for oneself immediately repels the ability to "feel" the state called spirituality, this is why you cannot rely on anything you feel, think, know, this includes intuition, all intuition does is tap you in to a deeper level of sensitivity, there is so much unexplained phenomena in the worlds that one can tap into, you can get all sorts of powers, tell the future etc, but none of this has anything to do with spirituality.
I have to go for a bit but I will come back to this later.