How to practically force your ego to die?

Originally Posted by guthrio

JustASimpleGuy,

Enjoyed your response above, which obviously is the expected outcome of the tenants Bruce Lee espouses in your signature:

"Research your own experience; absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own." ~ Bruce Lee

I couldn't have stated the rationale buttressing my own posts any better....especially the "absorb what is useful" and "reject what is useless" parts concerning such!

Being a simple guy it all seems rather simple to me.

1 - Recognition and acceptance of one's true nature - awareness and not body-mind.

2 - Some method of reining in compulsive habits of mind. For me that's meditation.

3 - To stabilize and/or come more fully into realization continue #2 and if not already doing so mix in devotion and selflessness.

In Advaita Vedanta terms.

1 - Jnana Yoga
2 - Raja Yoga
3 - Raja, Bhakti & Karma Yoga

Nothing paranormal or otherworldly, though that's not to say one won't have such experiences, just that they shouldn't be expected and aren't necessary.

I almost think it seems so simple most dismiss it as not being a valid approach to realization and liberation.



It's not only an Eastern thing either. There are comparable components in Christianity for all the above yogas and I assume in other traditions as well.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by guthrio

As mentioned in reply to the OP's post, I consider Jyotir's treatment of the question
of "ego" to be the most cogent description of the human condition I've ever read,..

I can't find it - but I don't need to - just his usual articulate,
eloquent wisdom expressed.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I can't find it - but I don't need to - just his usual articulate, eloquent wisdom expressed.

Here ya go.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...76&postcount=1

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The present moment-the right here and now, which can also be called the Non-duality unconditional love objective reality will give you obstacles/problems for you to overcome. This is how humankind evolves. These problems/obstacles are caused by false beliefs/knowledge that are based on duality/conditional love. Once you overcome your personal problems/obstacles in the present moment you become the problem/obstacle for others in the present moment. I learned this from my own personal experience. I did not read this anywhere. I used to avoid the present moment thus, my problems/obstacles at all costs because I did not like what I saw in the present moment. It is ridiculous how everything in life is so much easier and how much energy you save and have have true adulterated unlimited intelligence and freedom when you are aware in the present moment. This is the reason why I am so passionate about all of this. Sorrow, greed, pain, etc etc are all gone in the present moment.

When you are fully aware of all the above yourself and you connect all the dots yourself, what I wrote above will prove that beliefs and knowledge based on duality/dualism is nothing but an illusion, and the non duality present moment is in front of everyones eyes, people just need to dump their duality based beliefs and knowledge in order to perceive it. This also proves the physical universe, spirituality and the mind/mental are not separate from each other, meaning non-duality/the one/unconditional love, unity, peace, harmony etc etc. I am currently working on a post/thread that goes into greater detail about duality/dualism.

MikeS80,

...I'll be looking forward to reading the post/thread you've mentioned above, especially your methodology to deal with what follows after "people dump their duality based beliefs and knowledge in order to perceive it."

Thanks...

[Phaelyn]

Originally Posted by KonrD111

How can you kill your ego to be happy in life and unveil the truth by stopping your mind? Some creative ideas please.

My answer would be to stop making an ego and there is no reason to stop the mind. There are reasons to ignore it though.

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Being a simple guy it all seems rather simple to me.

1 - Recognition and acceptance of one's true nature - awareness and not body-mind.

2 - Some method of reining in compulsive habits of mind. For me that's meditation.

3 - To stabilize and/or come more fully into realization continue #2 and if not already doing so mix in devotion and selflessness.

In Advaita Vedanta terms.

1 - Jnana Yoga
2 - Raja Yoga
3 - Raja, Bhakti & Karma Yoga

Nothing paranormal or otherworldly, though that's not to say one won't have such experiences, just that they shouldn't be expected and aren't necessary.

I almost think it seems so simple most dismiss it as not being a valid approach to realization and liberation.


It's not only an Eastern thing either. There are comparable components in Christianity for all the above yogas and I assume in other traditions as well.

JustASimpleGuy,

I like your approach, especially since it is large enough to recognize practices with which others can approach answers to their own questions in their own ways.

BTW: Though the reference I've attached, below, may seem to come from left field, given the unusually staid subject matter we've been discussing, (i.e. 'killing the ego') , I nevertheless think that its central tenant "Changing the feeling of "I", speaks to a much better way of dealing with the problem than the OP has suggested!

And for those in these threads who seem to be chronically unable to refrain from misunderstanding or maligning other respondents' intentions or meanings, this "answers the mail"

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...&postcount=138

Originally Posted by guthrio

JustASimpleGuy,

I like your approach, especially since it is large enough to recognize practices with which others can approach answers to their own questions in their own ways.

BTW: Though the reference I've attached, below, may seem to come from left field, given the unusually staid subject matter we've been discussing, (i.e. 'killing the ego') , I nevertheless think that its central tenant "Changing the feeling of "I", speaks to a much better way of dealing with the problem than the OP has suggested!

And for those in these threads who seem to be chronically unable to refrain from misunderstanding other respondents' intentions or meanings, this "answers the mail"

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...&postcount=138

Partying the Red Sea. LOL!

It's quite appropriate and here's where the rubber hit the road for me. I had been delving into consciousness for a decade and from different perspectives, especially neuroscience, psychology, philosophy of mind, even quantum mechanics (Orch OR) and practicing secular meditation for about eight years.

I had also been interested in Eckhart Tolle and understood his message about awareness and space, but one day I clicked on a Sadghuru video and he was talking about opening up just a little bit of space between awareness and mind. Then I was led to Vedanta Society of NY and the floodgates opened.

The funny thing is I was doing so all along while meditating, but I just never grasped the significance of that opening up of space and separation between two possible identities. It's so simple and hiding right out in the open, yet so hard to see for what it actually is.

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Partying the Red Sea. LOL!

It's quite appropriate and here's where the rubber hit the road for me. I had been delving into consciousness for a decade and from different perspectives, especially neuroscience, psychology, philosophy of mind, even quantum mechanics (Orch OR) and practicing secular meditation for about eight years.

I had also been interested in Eckhart Tolle and understood his message about awareness and space, but one day I clicked on a Sadghuru video and he was talking about opening up just a little bit of space between awareness and mind. Then I was led to Vedanta Society of NY and the floodgates opened.

The funny thing is I was doing so all along while meditating, but I just never grasped the significance of that opening up of space and separation between two possible identities. It's so simple and hiding right out in the open, yet so hard to see for what it actually is.

...."funny thing", indeed, how the respective paths we've all taken by "changing the feeling of I", may ultimately lead us to grasp the significance of meeting one another in "the space" of these exchanges on Spiritual Forums.

Perhaps the Creator has a "punny" sense of humor, too!

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by guthrio

JustASimpleGuy,

I like your approach, especially since it is large enough to recognize practices with which others can approach answers to their own questions in their own ways. ... And for those in these threads who seem to be chronically unable to refrain from misunderstanding or maligning other respondents' intentions or meanings, this "answers the mail" [/url]

Not my 'mail', guthrio, which advanced the proposition that the idea of 'perfection' may, in some cases at least, be miss-leading.

The idea that any and all 'practices' may be equally 'good' (in terms of results) which supports 'moral relativism' as a 'philosophy' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism) may be equally, if not even more, miss-leading.

Watch out, Bro!

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Not my 'mail', guthrio, which advanced the proposition that the idea of 'perfection' may, in some cases at least, be miss-leading.

The idea that any and all 'practices' may be equally 'good' (in terms of results) which supports 'moral relativism' as a 'philosophy' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism) may be equally, if not even more, miss-leading.

Watch out, Bro!

Davidsun,

Thanks for your advice. I always 'watch out' for information I can use, which, alas, is limited to those two words from your post above....though some of your other posts have been useful, as previously stated.

Keep up the good work.