How are we different from computers?

[dattaseva]

When energy, which is another form of matter, does a special function, that special function or special mechanism or special technology is called as life. Thus, life is a special work form of energy.

The scientist is unable to make energy to perform this special work as he does not know this special mechanism. Life is a special know-how or the knowledge of special technology. Since knowledge is power, life can be called as a special power.

Let me give you an example. A cook prepared a certain dish. Using the same materials, another cook prepared the same dish but with an additional taste. This special taste is life. The taste is not the extra material that’s hidden in the hand of the second cook. The taste is only a special knowledge or talent of the second cook. The first cook is the scientist and the second cook is God.

God does not reveal this one special technology to human beings because the human being always wants to become God due to his inherent egoism and jealousy. In this way, God saved the human being from falling down. One should constantly remember this point and constantly surrender to God.

The soul in the physical body is only a bundle of qualities and is just a computer chip. This chip leaves the body after death. Even if you’re somehow able to prepare that particular chip and introduce it into a dead body by associating it with the required energy, the dead body can become only a robot. The difference between the human being and the robot is only this life.

The body of human being is made of living cells. Any cell can be used for the purpose of cloning. But any part of the robot is non-living and cannot be used for cloning in the same way. The dead cells of a dead body cannot be transformed into living cells, which alone can transform the dead person into a living person. The mechanism of a living cell cannot be introduced into a dead cell since the scientist is ignorant of it. Life is only a special work of the ordinary inert electromagnetic energy. Energy is inert and since work is also a form of energy, the corresponding work is also inert. Special work is also a kind of work. Therefore, life is also inert.

The word ‘inert’ means that which is not independent and is under the control of a controller. That independent controller is God. In this sense, life is inert with reference to God. With respect to life, other items of creation are inert since life controls them. Life is called as 'Para Prakriti' in the Gita, which means that life is the supreme item of creation. But the creator is greater than life and is thus the most supreme controller. This special working substance is only the inert energy, which is in the hand of the scientist as well. This energy is also a form of matter. When food is taken in, it is converted into this energy. Thus it is not a special energy. Life is only a special work of the same inert energy that is produced by the conversion of matter or food. The Veda also says the same (Annaat Purushah). This special mechanism cannot be known by examining the matter and energy present in a living cell. The taste cannot be found by checking the materials used for cooking that special dish. It is only in the form of knowledge, which can be revealed by the talented cook. When God appeared in a human body as the human incarnation (as Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, etc.), He demonstrated His special knowledge of life by raising a dead body to life.

Even matter is another form of energy. Energy or the bond binds the atoms. Most of the atom is vacant space. When you touch a solid object with your finger, the kinetic energy of revolving electrons and the bond energy between atoms repel the finger. This leads to the experience of impermeability, which is thought as rigid hardness and this characterizes a new word 'matter'. Thus matter is only a special mechanism of energy, about which the scientist is aware. Similarly, life is also a special mechanism of energy about which the scientist is unaware.

Life and matter are only special functions of energy. Work and energy are inter-convertible and thus, energy is work. Therefore, the different experiences of the different works are called as matter, energy and life.

Now comes the question, "What is the working substance?" The answer is God. The whole creation consists of matter, energy and life, which are different forms of work. Immediately the question comes, "Who is working?" The answer is "God is working."

When you say that work is a form of energy, the work of God appears as energy. When you say matter is a form of energy, energy appears as matter. Therefore, the result of the work i.e. creation, is only an apparent form of God's work. Thus, the whole of creation is the power or work of God. The different items in the creation are only the different ways of work of God. This is represented by the dance of Shiva. The dance is the work and therefore, the whole of creation is only His dance. This creation is simply the imagination of God (Ichcha matram prabhoh srishtih). This imagination is work and the result or product of this imagination is also work or imagination. Here, the work is not only the prior phase of the result, but also the very phase of the result. That means the imagination is not only the work, but also the product of work. This is proved scientifically. Creation is matter and energy. Matter is energy. Therefore, the creation is energy. Energy is work. Therefore, creation is work. The scientist is unable to catch the Worker, who is God. He is able to catch only the work and the different ways of work. He is also unable to catch that one special way of work namely life.

An engineer planned a house and constructed it. The house is matter consisting of atoms bonded together by bond energies. Since matter is energy, the whole house is energy. The engineer's planning is also work. Since energy is work, the house is work and since planning is also work, the house becomes the planning of the engineer. The engineer is also made of matter, energy and life. Since life is energy and matter is also energy, the engineer is also energy. Since the energy is work, the engineer himself is work or planning. Thus the engineer, planning and the house have all been reduced to simply one item, namely work. But there cannot be work without the worker. The worker must exist.

When you see the house and you don't see the engineer there, do you not infer the engineer? At such times, you say that the entire house is the work of the engineer. Therefore, seeing the work, you must infer the existence of the worker. Similarly, upon seeing this creation, which is the work of God, one must infer the existence of its invisible worker - God. The second Brahma Sutra (Janmadyasya yatah) says the same. You cannot say that creation itself is the creator because worker and work are seen separately in this world. The house cannot construct itself. Such a systematic well-planned universe certainly demands the existence of its engineer.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by It Is

Sorry but we don't have free will.

Even modern science has shown that when we are faced with a "decision" our neurons are busy firing away, organizing the "answer" well before we are even consciously aware of it.

This is correct but they also say, at least what I've read they will not use the word free-will at all, they do say change. I've noticed that at once and talk about the (literal) ability to change the mind and the phenomena observed that new neural connections develop (measured not present before as strongly) can be built that infer the brain can change in (linear) time.

However based on a decision it can be examined when faced with the same type of decision a different decision can be made. Various authors say we can make changes to neuron connections. They consider decisions influenced by pathways energy travel. Science tells we we can literally change our minds that arise from these physical changes in new neural connections that developed especially with thinking new thoughts or doing new things.

Now the thing about this is, awareness and now that it is brought up can one be mindful and can this be a tool to us. Does knowledge (information) change pathways. But one has experience to change to make a different future decision or stay the same. Free will doesn't mean changing one's mind.

Authors imply people can program or reprogram their minds. They also do not ever use the word free-will though it is said the mind can be changed. Is the ability to change the mind free-will? Choice can be part of it and why on earth would I change my choice.

Thoughts for sure, not free-will, are predetermined as far as I know and are in advance what I'd do, it's set way before the .5 sec or so time lag by years not by milliseconds is it not. We already know a person does the same thing over again each day and longer. It's estimated we do about 98% of the same thing and act every day over the years. Thought without observation. Thought is very routine to us and this is biological. It takes more energy to engage in free-will thinking so the body conserves by the use of the subconscious. I'm merely saying free-will is not the first option/response but can it be one. Where is the line drawn and is it important. Observation is often said to manifest, you know, QM.

We definitely don't want to wait until the time the emotion kicks in and trigger programs in us bio-chemically. If new neural connection and pathways do become stronger to see differently as I have read and knowing why a decision is made and one based on other or previous outcome can change one's mind, is this free-will. Is being linear relevant.

I forgot to mention this, thinking operates within a matrix of itself that is self contained. Very complicated.

[William 辰]

Animals have a soul.
Humans have a soul.
A computer has a program.
No matter how complex and real a computer may seem, it will never be alive and it will never be conscious.
A computer is not able to feel emotions, it is able to use a set of electronic algorhythms.

Originally Posted by It Is

Sorry but we don't have free will.

Even modern science has shown that when we are faced with a "decision" our neurons are busy firing away, organizing the "answer" well before we are even consciously aware of it.

This is not true. Not having free will would make thinking completely irrelevant. You would simply have a brain for the sake of moving your human body and keeping it alive and nothing more. You wouldn't even remember what happened two second ago.
The fact your neurons are busy firing away before you are aware of it, does not prove your descisions are made for you: It only proves your neurons are busy firing away before you are aware of it.
This demonstrates you aren't yet aware of how descision making works. Our human body is very complex, why would our descision making process be anything less?
Most of the time science can not see beyond itself. They think simply because they can not trace electrical signals further back than your brain, that your brain is therefore the source of your actions. And that is unscientific. A good scientist always keeps questioning things.

Albert Einstein: "The only real valuable thing is intuition."

Consciousness in itself has absolutely nothing to do with your brain. It has to do with how connected you are with your higher self. If you have a high consciousness you make descissions with your higher self and then your brain only allows you to feel your actions.

Computers have to be programmed to achieve a task.

As programmer myself, I know that these types are like magicians and illusionists, and they are very keen to promote the illusion that the software is intelligent.

And it can appear to be, but it is not.

AI is still very simple at the minute. I don't believe it is possible to create a machine that is self-aware and aware of its own existence.

What never ceases to surprise me is how much effort humans (technocrats especially) put into trying to create a simulacrum of themselves or even their successors.

I wonder how a machine would look back into its history and creation were it to achieve self awareness.

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[Govind]

We are very different from computers because we have thinking power, we can judge what is right and what is wrong for us. But Computer is just a machine it will work as we programmed it means how we create it according to our needs.Humans are much more developed, they can analyze things and work accordingly and we created computers for our work & facility.