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Old 11-07-2017, 08:55 PM
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Thank you for your view however you are mistaken. I think you are referring to the Hebrew bible where there is no given word to mean hell in the sense of the word, however the references speak for themselves. Fire and brimstone is the same to all. The King James Version of the bible does mention hell which asks another question, if the word hell can be brought forth from a reference to the effect, then all know what is meant. The Old Testament is not easy reading for me with references to sacrifices and ultimatums
Thank you anyway I appreciate your views

In the original language of the bible the word hell does not exist.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:57 PM
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In the original language of the bible the word hell does not exist.

I am not so focused on the word.. as the meaning of the text, you will find reference to it in many areas of the bible as well as the word itself in the King James Version, 23 times in fact.
If the original bible does not use the actual word why is it that it is used in the King James Version to describe what is in the original text..the word is obviously referring to the meaning.
While we are discussing this, why are there so many versions to choose from? Is it not bad to tweak the word of the lord in any way.
You make valid points.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:30 AM
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As a past Christian I am confused. I mean no disrespect here but can someone answer this question.
If the main lesson of Christianity is forgiveness and god forgiving all our sins, how can there be eternal hell?
Its a question I have asked numerous people who have skated around the issue and not been able to offer a straight answer. I struggle to understand this.

if you take god's forgiveness as a permission to continue, well, you get what you pay for...
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:25 PM
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I am not so focused on the word.. as the meaning of the text, you will find reference to it in many areas of the bible as well as the word itself in the King James Version, 23 times in fact.
If the original bible does not use the actual word why is it that it is used in the King James Version to describe what is in the original text..the word is obviously referring to the meaning.
While we are discussing this, why are there so many versions to choose from? Is it not bad to tweak the word of the lord in any way.
You make valid points.

The bible has been translated over and over again, it was written by ordinary people like you and me, therefore it is their individual interpretations that we read in each version.

Is it the word of the lord ? Thats something only you can answer...
I prefer to look at it as a ' Story Book ' and I take the good from it and leave the bad behind
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:39 PM
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The bible has been translated over and over again, it was written by ordinary people like you and me, therefore it is their individual interpretations that we read in each version.

Is it the word of the lord ? Thats something only you can answer...
I prefer to look at it as a ' Story Book ' and I take the good from it and leave the bad behind

Yes, this is the answer.

Only individuals can answer what amounts to existential / philosophical questions.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:12 PM
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As a past Christian I am confused. I mean no disrespect here but can someone answer this question.
If the main lesson of Christianity is forgiveness and god forgiving all our sins, how can there be eternal hell?
Its a question I have asked numerous people who have skated around the issue and not been able to offer a straight answer. I struggle to understand this.


Certain teachers claim Jesus covered all sin--they do not teach truth. The bible teaches-The wages sin pays is death--IF Jesus covered those sins no one would have to die.
As well--judgement scenario explained from Jesus--Matt 7:21-23-- a worker of iniquity = a practice of sin or willfull sin. ---Heb 10:26--no more sacrifice left for any who practice sin if they know it is sin---there is no excuse accepted that they do not know what God disapproves of.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:53 PM
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Certain teachers claim Jesus covered all sin--they do not teach truth. The bible teaches-The wages sin pays is death--IF Jesus covered those sins no one would have to die.
As well--judgement scenario explained from Jesus--Matt 7:21-23-- a worker of iniquity = a practice of sin or willfull sin. ---Heb 10:26--no more sacrifice left for any who practice sin if they know it is sin---there is no excuse accepted that they do not know what God disapproves of.


Here we have an example of ' interpretations ', you believe that others don't teach the truth and your way is the truth... mybe your teachings are not true and the other teachings are the truth.

If everyone is reading the same bible why do people interpret the words differently... because we are not robots.... We each have to find our own way and each way is the right way for each of us at this moment.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:59 PM
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Yes, this is the answer.

Only individuals can answer what amounts to existential / philosophical questions.
Sometimes they 'answer' YES, to the question of "Is what's written in the Bible, the word(s) of God?"

Sometimes, not.
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Old 13-07-2017, 11:53 PM
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Here we have an example of ' interpretations ', you believe that others don't teach the truth and your way is the truth... mybe your teachings are not true and the other teachings are the truth.

If everyone is reading the same bible why do people interpret the words differently... because we are not robots.... We each have to find our own way and each way is the right way for each of us at this moment.


Facts prove many errors in trinity translations. The New world translation corrected those errors. God promised--truth would become abundant, here in these last days.( Daniel 12:4) It has, by the correcting of errors. Its just like Jesus' day though. Those that must fit in( with the world) hated truth, thus hated true followers--back then they were killed. True followers do not fit in. Jesus taught them to be no part of this
world. thus rejected by most.
Our own way is not correct.( Matthew 16:24) Jesus said--one MUST enter through the narrow gate--He said--FEW will find it. Why? Because they must fit in. And walk the broad and spacious path.
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Old 14-07-2017, 01:01 PM
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: There is no hell, it isn't mentioned in the bible so I wouldn't worry about it.

well it is mentioned in the bible but not in the way MANY were taught. Satan has blinded even the BELIEVERS, sadly the “believers”, believe ONLY he's blinded the “unbelievers”. Satan KNEW Jehovah God and Jesus NEVER CREATED a “hellfire”. I tell people, please do research on the “origin of a hellfire). One would see how it became incorporated into christianity. The “hellfire” is a false teaching,which was interpretations are wrong.

Hell is real!... a “hellfire” it isn't! , there's a difference. A hellfire was said to be a place God ,Jehovah ,(Exo. 6:3) created. Satan has blinded even the BELIEVERS, sadly the “believers”, believe ONLY he's blinded the “unbelievers”. Satan KNEW Jehovah God and Jesus NEVER CREATED a “hellfire”. I tell people, please do research on the “origin of a hellfire). One would see how it became incorporated into christianity.
The “hellfire” is a false teaching, which was interpretations are wrong. yet even some christians tend to believe this teaching.

It said that the wicked are burned forever once they have died, because of their sins. But Jehovah's word shows our sins are wiped away once we died ,( Rom.6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin). Remember God told Adam, that the day he eat from a certain tree, he would positively die ,(Gen. 2:17,kj version said “surely die”). Scriptures back this saying as the truth ,(Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord).

There's NO “SOUL”, that leaves the body and is in a burning fire. Because the “SOUL” is a living being ,(Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul). Jesus even showed us this when he was speaking a parable of the “rich man”, Jesus said ,(“And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry”, Luke 12:19). Why would Jesus use this word, if he KNEW the SOUL was the ghost of the dead? The dead wouldn't need to eat and drink, would they?

Many believe there's an actual “hellfire” because of what Jesus said here ,(Matt. 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire). Do you really believe Jesus was saying, if someone calls another “fool”, they will go to a “hellfire”? Jesus said this also ,(Matt.25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels). if hell suppose to be a place where demons reside, and wicked dead are tortured. then why did Jesus say an everlasting fire would be waiting for even the demons?,

Jesus means total destruction, since fire totally destroys things. And he KNEW, humans would understand that. Some faithful men of the bible, also KNEW there was NO fierly place, and what “HELL”, really was. See (Psa.139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there). David, a faithful servant, prays again to God. now if hell is a place where demons resides, God touches nothing unclean. hell would be considered by God unclean, why would God be there? Again why would he let a faithful servant go there? David meant if he falls a sleep in death, Jehovah will still remember him, (as in resurrection).

And Since many believe the wicked are tortured, there would be NO sleeping in a fiery place, would there? “hell” is only a place where the dead bodies are... graves!
Jonah was another one ,(Jonah 2:1,2 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice). He didn't mention seeing demons and fire, did he? He thought he would die there, in a since it would have been his grave!

Lastly to prove hell ISN'T A FIERY PLACE, (Rev. 20:10-15), speaks of satan, the beast, (worldly governments), and false prophets cast into the lakes of fire, tormented forever. Now again if the demons lived in fire. Why are they thrown here? It just meant they will soon be totally destroyed. They already know they will be, right now it's tortured to them knowing they will soon be destroyed. Because they knew they was to also live forever, until they turned against Jehovah God.

also here it says ,(Rev.20:13,14 ”And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them”). AND... (“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire”). Here a SUPPOSED fiery place ,(HELL), was also thrown into the LOF. How can fire destroy a “fiery place? The sea was a grave for many bodies, it was their hell HELL! Those dead in it, resurrected. The LOF is symbolic, it just again, means total destruction. There will soon be NO MORE... death, places in which the dead are held ,(hell), demons or ANY who didn't want to follow Jesus ,(Luke 9:23, John 17:16 ,1John 2:15,16). and didn't want to learn of his Father and do his WILL ,(John 17:3 ,Matt. 7:21 , John 6:44 and John 17:6-8). peace.
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