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Dustin--.."empty space fluctuates"...
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No, non-occupied space does not fluctuate. Only
occupied space can fluctuate.
A 2x4 piece of
occupied space lumber can fluctuate because of variations in moisture content in the wood.
Non-occupied space does not fluctuate.
Occupied space can only exist outside of our finite,
occupied space Universe. These are the fundamentals at top of the cosmic hierarchy.
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Gem--Ok r6. First when I pointed out that when you said "Stuff = Occupied Space" you said you make an error,
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Drop the mind games Gem, you know very well that before that specific post with the specific error I have been very clear for years and many posts here at SP what
occupied space is.
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so I take it you do mean stuff = occupied space,
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How many times are you going to beat a dead horse Gem? I made a mental error when typing. Get over it
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and of course stuff occupies space so it's called "occupied space".
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Yeah, I have been very clear on that and you have now agreed with that at least twice.
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Hence you define the term "occupied space" on the ground that it is self evident that stuff takes up space.
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Duh yeah. And you have agreed at least twice now. It is self evident based on what we observe and dictionary definitions of words stuff, occupied and space. Use a dictionary Gem.
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Perhaps you've established this as a premise, but where is the logic?
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Where is the illogic? It is self evident based on how we define those words. Use a dictionary Gem.
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Logic is a structure where a series of premises together validate a conclusion.
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Logic is a pathway of thought that you have lost track of in regards to words stuff, occupied and space and their definitions. Use a dictionary GEm.
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It is important that the premises are plausible, and "stuff occupies space" is plausible
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It is not only plausible the concept, scenario, phenomena, state-of-affairs, reality it is obvious, logical sensible conclusion that you agree with then you go off on some bonkers "logic" diversion. Use a dictionary Gem.
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It's like I could say "houses have bedrooms" which is a plausible premise, but it's not logic. Logic is more like 1) "Houses have bedrooms" 2) "This building has 3 bedrooms". Therefore, "this building is a house". That's how logic basically operates.
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Use a dictionary Gem. Stuff, occupied and space have defintions.
A room is used as a bedroom only if there is a bed in that room or people sleep in that room.
Stuff, occupied and space have definitions that all correlate logically, inherently, self-evidently obvious etc.
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A premise on its own is not logic.
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Logic is pathway of thought based on what we experience, and put into words to communicated to self and/or others what we experienced.
We experience that garbage occupies space and I use words to communicate that fact to others, some of which refuse to acknowledge and go off on some irrelevant divergent topics, or,
agree and then go off on some irrelevant divergent topics, or,
agree and accept the logical pathways of thougth via words humans have created and placed in dictionarys.
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My little expression using geometry was logic, because my concept of occupied/unoccupied space was validated by plausible premises.
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Ive been on your geometric pathways a year or more back, and I forget the specifics but we did not agree on something as best as I can recall.
We can go there again ---in another thread-- but
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts are not a space. Neither non-occupied or
occupied space. Do you grasp that Gem?
Ive been very clear on this fact for years around here. Here above and the last few posts Ive been clearly disscussing occupied space ergo garbage/trash etc and they are more than just a concept.
I will be happy to discuss geometrical concepts with you ---in another thread--- along with can we have can we have non-occupied spaces between occupied spaces.
But when we do so, we have to begin with a common agreement that those are three distinctly differrent aspects and once again for umpteenth time Ive laid them out clearly for your or others to contemplate/ponder;
1}
spirit-1, metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ex concepts of space, time concepts God, Universe, dogs, triangles etc,
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line-of-demarcation---------------
2} macro-infinite non-occupied space,
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occupied space ie;
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physical/energy ergo
fermions, bosons and any aggregate collection thereof,
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gravity,
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dark energy.
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Stuff = Occupied Space Is a Logical Minimal Brainer 
Stuff/Occupied Space is 3-2, 3-3, and 3-4 in the above.
Stuff = Occupied Space Is a Logical Minimal Brainer
1 + 1 = 2 or 1 + 1 = 4 or 3 + 3 = 12 "maths" Formula
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