what happens to human development when we develop spiritually

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Yes, I can understand that humans are just as barbaric as animals because that's what they are deep down, but ever since the Neanderthal, I honestly thought we may have progressed and evolved just a tad from that and I wonder how long it will be, if ever?

I just have this strong feeling that I am not like them...neither inferior/superior but it's like I belong to a whole different species...all those things that others say and tout as 'human nature' just don't apply to me...I don't have a single competitive bone in my body, I'm not a social creature, I don't need protection...and if we go by evolution, I would probably be the one the villagers would tie to a tree in the face of hungry tigers and say to them "eat HER" and run away.

All my life I have wondered why this is so and why I seem to be the 'exception to the rule' in as much as humanity and their whole 'struggle for survival' goes....when they take MORE than they need to basically survive anyway.

Well hermits have always had a place - on the outskirts - there must be a reason for that also.

Observation, recording perhaps?

The hermit would still be forced to defend against animals, bandits - disease.

Anything that walks the earth is fair game for nature.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Raziel

Well hermits have always had a place - on the outskirts - there must be a reason for that also.

Observation, recording perhaps?

The hermit would still be forced to defend against animals, bandits - disease.

Anything that walks the earth is fair game for nature.

I just went for a walk to the shops to get a milkshake and a chocolate bar...while I was doing so, I put all these questions to the Universe and got an immediate reply.

Basically, it kinda goes like this - I was the original "Indigo Child" - the prototype...and I have multi-stranded DNA whereas most humans do not.

In 'average human DNA' there are primitive genes that get expressed and some can mentally control their basic animal urges and some cannot.

In a multi-strand, other genes dominate over these primitive ones, switching them off so to speak, so one doesn't have to worry about 'resisting urges' because the urges are just not there to start with.

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I just went for a walk to the shops to get a milkshake and a chocolate bar...while I was doing so, I put all these questions to the Universe and got an immediate reply.

Basically, it kinda goes like this - I was the original "Indigo Child" - the prototype...and I have multi-stranded DNA whereas most humans do not.

In 'average human DNA' there are primitive genes that get expressed and some can mentally control their basic animal urges and some cannot.

In a multi-strand, other genes dominate over these primitive ones, switching them off so to speak, so one doesn't have to worry about 'resisting urges' because the urges are just not there to start with.

Why worry about skating on thin ice - when you can walk on water?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Raziel

Why worry about skating on thin ice - when you can walk on water?

That is going straight into the "Memorable Quotes" section.

It also reminds me about a Rumi quote my 'guides' show me when I get bogged down:

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Thank you, but I don't understand this. Could you please and kindly offer some further explanation or give a link? thanks.

The brahma viharas are known as divine abodes. I like to see them as mind-states or heart-states that resemble a way of being that is divine.

The fact that they have a near enemy, A state that resembles the abode, but is missing an essential part of it and a far enemy. I.e the flipside of the coin.

In the case of compassion for instance, there is a near enemy that resembles it. Pity which is missing A key ingredient before it is compassion and the far enemy cruelty which is where compassion has become it's opposite.

Now this trinity to me resemble three choices or possible outcomes of one and the same cause. In my mind I see the cruel person, the pity-full one and the compassionate one make a very different choice when confronted with the exact same causality. The same drive or desire if you will.

Now I like to think that i will often chooses to act from the divine abode, more often I will act from the near enemy, which in turn can be viewed by others as acting from the far enemy..

Does that make sense?

With Love
Eelco

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by catsquotl

The brahma viharas are known as divine abodes. I like to see them as mind-states or heart-states that resemble a way of being that is divine.

The fact that they have a near enemy, A state that resembles the abode, but is missing an essential part of it and a far enemy. I.e the flipside of the coin.

In the case of compassion for instance, there is a near enemy that resembles it. Pity which is missing A key ingredient before it is compassion and the far enemy cruelty which is where compassion has become it's opposite.

Now this trinity to me resemble three choices or possible outcomes of one and the same cause. In my mind I see the cruel person, the pity-full one and the compassionate one make a very different choice when confronted with the exact same causality. The same drive or desire if you will.

Now I like to think that i will often chooses to act from the divine abode, more often I will act from the near enemy, which in turn can be viewed by others as acting from the far enemy..

Does that make sense?

With Love
Eelco

Yes, I understand it now and when I went into the Sanskrit apramāṇa, it made more sense to me.

That being said, I have never experienced a single emotion described therein.

So, I'll just contend myself with being reborn into Kailasha (Shivaloka) and not Brahmaloka....I can deal with that.

Thank you for explaining it.

[A human Being]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I can sort of understand this.

A year ago, I wound up in a mental hospital because I witnessed a stabbing and 'man's inhumanity towards man' just broke me inside. I suffered a total nervous breakdown.

Recovery took a few months and it was another patient there and not any doctors or nurses who taught me a mantra; "not my circus, not my monkeys" and I realised that people are just playing out Karma, but to watch it all unfold is just soul-destroying....and yet, I could feel no pity and no compassion for them, because I could also see they were creating their own misery and then whining about what they, themselves were creating.

Did it occur to you that this might also apply to you, too?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by A human Being

Did it occur to you that this might also apply to you, too?

Yes, I could always choose to totally ignore human stupidity instead of letting it get to me....'not my circus...not my monkeys'.

[A human Being]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Yes, I could always choose to totally ignore human stupidity instead of letting it get to me....'not my circus...not my monkeys'.

Better to see it in its proper context, I think - 'Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do', as Jesus said. Can you forgive them?

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by A human Being

Better to see it in its proper context, I think - 'Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do', as Jesus said. Can you forgive them?

i'll work on it because 'forgiveness' only seems to condone the behaviour and I'm really not a 'forgiving person'...in much the same way as how I am not an empathetic or compassionate person either, yet I am not cruel, indifferent, equanimous, benevolent, malevolent...heck, I wish there were some place I could go to learn emotions besides 'morality' and 'dharma' - if they are emotions...