the darkness

[running]

Originally Posted by django

I think the healing path is fundamentally different to the bliss/silence path. Your milestones are different to a healers milestones. The end results are different. Jesus was a spectacular example of the healer’s path, but he wasn’t the only one, one of my favourite modern examples is saint Seraphim of Sarov, his healings were also miraculous.

Jesus did say that whoever believes in him will be able to do what he does and more, it is a promise that humanity can do what he did, that miracles aren’t just for comic books, but his abilities aren’t cultivated on every spiritual path per se.

i once lived in an area like the bible belt. i know the game. i wish you and them well. im just not a believer or wish to become one.

as far as healing. my only purpose for my journey was for healing. my trust was in healing myself. not doctors, and so on. bliss and silence do heal. i am here. between my healing practice you could call it. and divine information. i am now 100%. and now know what was killing me. was a two for one special. and about three years of following the energy to bliss and silence.

[running]

Originally Posted by JustBe

If you look at jesus as someone revealing the potential of himself, it’s not about how far he was, but more that he knew ‘he already was’ and his potential and wholeness. Many spiritual seekers are seeking wholeness because of perceived seperation. Jesus in my view of him didn’t perceive himself having a deficit but more he knew he was a natural healer. ‘His path’-he was aware of his abilities.

i dont look at jesus. never had an interest in him. i have lived among thousands upon thousands that believe he is the all mighty and the only real god. and if you dont believe it. you will be forever imprisoned in hell. i have also seen churches attempt to take children from their mothers for not believing the same. jesus is a very old song and dance i have heard a million times. i have a good friend who thinks ahout him constantly. if it helps him. or if it helps you. great! im just not a christian and interested in storys about people whom are now dead. and no proof of what is real and what is fabricated. i realize you dont represent the evil that goes on for the sake of pumping jesus. due to my personal experince as a witness of the destruction for the sake of jesus. im not the friendliest of what may or may not be true of his life.

as far as healing. it is true that bliss and silence heal. my only reason for my journey was to heal myself. it does work or i wouldn't be here. or have even spent one day on my journey.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by running

im just not a christian and interested in storys about people whom are now dead. and no proof of what is real and what is fabricated.

We all live (and die!) in the context of our own 'constructs' ... our own 'world-views', or 'paradigms'. No one I know hasn't 'borrowed' from others' construct sets in this regard. I think Jesus' constructs were pretty far-reaching in terms of the numbers and sensibilities of people who have found his constructs appealing (not that everyone has put them to 'good' use, mind you!).

Each to his own (construction, or aesthetic) 'taste', as I said. What I am (and I think JustBe is) 'doing' is sharing our 'tastes' in multiple regards.

It's quite OK if you just want to remain 'tasting' your own 'petard', running, but this is a forum for the sharing 'tastes', aye what?

It occurs to me that maybe you just want others to look-at-me-look-at-me appreciate and engagingly relate to yours. Wishing you the happiest possible 'i'solation in that case, Bro!

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

We all live (and die!) in the context of our own 'constructs' ... our own 'world-views', or 'paradigms'. No one I know hasn't 'borrowed' from others' construct sets in this regard. I think Jesus' constructs were pretty far-reaching in terms of the numbers and sensibilities of people who have found his constructs appealing (not that everyone has put them to 'good' use, mind you!).

Each to his own (construction, or aesthetic) 'taste', as I said. What I am (and I think JustBe is) 'doing' is sharing our 'tastes' in multiple regards.

It's quite OK if you just want to remain 'tasting' your own 'petard', running, but this is a forum for the sharing 'tastes', aye what?

It occurs to me that maybe you just want others to look-at-me-look-at-me appreciate and engagingly relate to yours. Wishing you the happiest possible 'i'solation in that case, Bro!

as you are gjven the right to believe in jesus. i am allowed to believe to not. and for the serious devotee there is a whole section to go to. its called the christian section.

there are plenty of gurus alive today that could help you or anyone else. or other methods. i have never claimed to be of such. i have claimed to be a witness to what i speak about.

as far as look at me. your the one PUMPING YOUR BOOK!

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by running

as far as look at me. your the one PUMPING YOUR BOOK!

I am sharing my 'world-view' (or paradigm of Life) as you are yours, running - comments and contrasts which meaningfully relate to the content thereof are very welcome, as I hope my comments and contrast relating to your world-view will someday be, if not by you then by others.

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

I am sharing my 'world-view' (or paradigm of Life) as you are yours, running - comments and contrasts which meaningfully relate to the content thereof are very welcome, as I hope my comments and contrast relating to your world-view will someday be, if not by you then by others.

everyone has their own world view. few are using this forum as a marketing platform to pump their book on it. i see that as a major difference. and why i point out look towards someone whom can offer an experience. rather than someone who has lot of words for sale.

[running]

Originally Posted by JustBe

The deadness as you describe sounds like a full surrender point. This makes sense in terms of letting go to the core as deep as one can go.

As I understand it can signal a major ending where the process becomes one of union. The walk as ones true self. True nature. The burning up of the old (energetically) no longer the leading process.

As a “whole” being presence like Jesus (as it’s been told) affected others through his clarity of being, where the fullness of his being is reflected. Much like natural born healer types affect.

a little more elahoration. to further explain the increasing depth. for example when i get deeper it can become overly estatic until i become accustomed to the extra power. also it could become like knocking me out until i get accustomed to handling more of that power.

the mind and the physical body have to become acclimated as the depth continues. its a never ending process as i see it.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by running

everyone has their own world view. few are using this forum as a marketing platform to pump their book on it. i see that as a major difference. and why i point out look towards someone whom can offer an experience. rather than someone who has lot of words for sale.

I am not 'marketing' anything. My treatise not for 'sale'. It is freely available for download from my website.

I am just sharing my views in response to and contrast with others' sharing of their views here, as are you.

I happen to have collated my world-view in a book and a treatise both of which I carefully and selectively quote from, as I also do from The Bhagavad Gita and other sources. I often also include 'significant' (in terms of meaning) commentary as I am doing here-now, but see no need or benefit in rewriting something which I regard as being relevant that I or others have already said. I hope you some day appreciate and avail yourself of the value what I have done and continue to enjoy doing in the foregoing regards. If you read my treatise you will see that what I am about is an across-the-board :smile" response to Life - 'words' being such 'slippery' characters, I don't simply/simplistcally take anyone's statements (not just yours) at 'face value' - in that (treatise) case, I critically evaluate statements Jesus made to 'see' what 'sense' there may be in them as well as detect (as in detective ) the ways in which 'sloppy' souls might 'read' what they 'want to' into them.

The syntheses that I share derive from critical contemplation of my own experiences and observations and the reports of experiences and observations of others around me (such as yourself), by the way.

[Altair]

Nice stuff on your site, David. And great it's for free..
And a Gita.. very cool, wanted to read that again.

The link to Deep Ecology leads to a non-existing page though, but I checked the guy anyway; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlmTLvHMg-g
Don't think I've heard of Satish Kumar before, but interesting views..

A Gita and Satish Kumar, two things I got from just checking your link. Thanks!

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

I am not 'marketing' anything. My treatise not for 'sale'. It is freely available for download from my website.

I am just sharing my views in response to and contrast with others' sharing of their views here, as are you.

I happen to have collated my world-view in a book and a treatise both of which I carefully and selectively quote from, as I also do from The Bhagavad Gita and other sources. I often also include 'significant' (in terms of meaning) commentary as I am doing here-now, but see no need or benefit in rewriting something which I regard as being relevant that I or others have already said. I hope you some day appreciate and avail yourself of the value what I have done and continue to enjoy doing in the foregoing regards. If you read my treatise you will see that what I am about is an across-the-board :smile" response to Life - 'words' being such 'slippery' characters, I don't simply/simplistcally take anyone's statements (not just yours) at 'face value' - in that (treatise) case, I critically evaluate statements Jesus made to 'see' what 'sense' there may be in them as well as detect (as in detective ) the ways in which 'sloppy' souls might 'read' what they 'want to' into them.

The syntheses that I share derive from critical contemplation of my own experiences and observations and the reports of experiences and observations of others around me (such as yourself), by the way.

while i see it not being productive trying to figure it out through the mind. i appreciate your not trying to profit from pumping it on the forum.