Is it fair to say that essentially God is a mystery?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Cheers back atcha and very welcome. Such a gentleman...not once did you say I was mad as a hatter, hahaha ;)

Yes...I remember some things being different but only a few rise to this level. Acc'd to WStein, he'd noticed many of the same things & said it's due to meditation and energy work which while centering you must also anchor you and somehow buffer or protect your perspective. He said numerous times he was doing group work in a circle and then later several of them noticed some changes and things having shifted - things which no one else seemed to notice at all.

If this is so, that energy work protects our memories, it may reach across all lives and all spacetime. Meaning, if you can remember somewhere, you probably can remember anywhere, eventually.

Re S. Africa, I very clearly remember de Klerk the old white dude leading the free elections in 1994 and collaborating with the ANC to peacefully transfer leadership, all in honour of Mandela's legacy & the will of the S. African people. There was a real awareness that Mandela and so many others had died for this cause, so it was very poignant. Now Mandela was supposedly there all along, like 10 yrs on after his death. Same outcome, it seems, yet still very different.

Yes. I think most are seemingly too small and inconsequential to be noticed more than maybe in passing. Many times they would only be noticeable to you or relevant to you anyway.

We have no idea, for the most part, of the entirety of what is that had to change (be re-created and cherry-picked from scratch) to bring us back to this seemingly exact moment. Which may also have Tips for you in the cupboard instead of Earl Grey...and which may also have Mandela once more, and so forth. We normally would just think "could have sworn I had Earl Grey the other day" (LOL) or, "could have sworn Mandela was dead for a long time" and move on...OR not even. Most commonly, we don't notice at all. And that's because we're used to taking for granted that there will be a normal moment-to-moment continuity. As for the longest time we weren't capable of destroying the universe...repeatedly...

I think that is very commonly what it is...that sort of feeling like it's familiar but it's not quite right somehow...and then you begin to look for why. These things can coexist for a long time until you're made to realise that the reality you live in does not match up to your experiences -- perhaps even your recent experiences. The nice thing about Mandela is that thousands (or more) do remember his death and the 94 elections several yrs later taking place without him. So, the skeptics cannot just say it's your own failing memory or it's mass hallucination or false memories and shut it down (though they try). That's a pretty specific set of memories over many years for so many of us around the world to share.

So what do you think of my understandings, limited though they may be?
This was all from an inking from the guides shared when Michael said is that really your intent?, pertaining to the right of all things to exist and the worth and value of all things to the fabric of existence. In a much more concrete (if you will) and visceral way than I'd previously understood. Which somehow was deeply reassuring, despite the initial overwhelm and the time it took to really unpack it. I slowly realised more deeply within my heart (& not just in my head) that we are all valued and we all have a innate right to exist as souls, as consciousness and divine essence, which really helped me at the time -- to know it in my very bones for myself. To know I had a right to be here and was supposed to be here. But also that we're not meant to have to peel off the bits we don't like...we're meant to accept it all as it is and work to mend and heal the broken bits and the darkness and misalignment through love and acceptance in the most fundamental sense. It truly matters that each of us are here as we are and when we are...the literal fate of the universe (moment-to-moment in continuity) depends on it.

Peace & blessings
7L

For myself I have had deja vu moments and I have witnessed myself back in time when I was a teenager so I am aware that time and space isn't a rigid as some peeps think (which perhaps ties with my awareness of the time travel lecture in the spirit world) come to think of it .. After all that time (excuse the pun) I have only 'now' had that connected thought lol .. Perhaps the experience that I had of going back in time reflected in my interest to learn more about it?

Anyway getting back to your understandings, well like said I have had certain experiences before but not like you have described, I have never gone to my fridge and pulled out a bottle of carrot juice while thinking to myself, I swear I brought beer instead ..

What is funny though which is likened to deja vu is that I swear I have had the moment before at times even when I hear the news, it's like I have had this moment before and somethings not quite right here .. Or when someone say's something to me it's like they have said it before ..

I know this is not what you are saying but it does open the door to our reality being more bendy and flexible to enable a broader perspective or awareness to be had of it while experiencing it ..

Your understandings seem plausible as do mine but without seeing the cogs turning so to speak I can't say for sure what's going on ..

There always seems to be the coming back to awareness as things are now, I didn't stay back in awareness of my past so there is something to our reality of 'now' that obviously hits home and is in some way magnetic to our awareness (sounding like tolle now) so although time and space is bendy, it doesn't seem to bend for too long before there is present awareness oh how things are now even though how things are now can change now lol.

I suppose only time will tell before things make sense completely regarding how and why such things happen ..

It's all interesting stuff ..


x daz x

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by God-Like

For myself I have had deja vu moments and I have witnessed myself back in time when I was a teenager so I am aware that time and space isn't a rigid as some peeps think (which perhaps ties with my awareness of the time travel lecture in the spirit world) come to think of it .. After all that time (excuse the pun) I have only 'now' had that connected thought lol .. Perhaps the experience that I had of going back in time reflected in my interest to learn more about it?

That's very interesting. I have really only sometimes seen myself like an observer when recalling other lives. I would say maybe there was something about that time that was a critical juncture of some kind for you on your path. Sometimes really it's more about the place your heart and soul were in and you are called back to that place for healing and renewal. For that purpose, you had the out-of-time perspective on your own younger self. Like we do often when recalling some other lives.

Anyway getting back to your understandings, well like said I have had certain experiences before but not like you have described, I have never gone to my fridge and pulled out a bottle of carrot juice while thinking to myself, I swear I brought beer instead ..

Hahaha...I've not had that myself actually, it was just a likely example. I have had other things, like specific large-scale changes at Disney World, which I could even feel in my bones were not the same re: energies of the ground I was walking on. I was that person in the Twilight Zone moment you see on TV asking at the info desk about when this or that changed and they said oh it's always been like this (LOL) but all the historic materials and maps also support them. Yet I visited there a few times in school and very clearly recall a different layout and some diff big rides, memorable and unmistakable to when I came back with my son from 2008 and later. TBH it's fascinating b/c I really just expected them to say oh right we redid the layout and all our adverts & materials on those things, x years back or w/e.

Many others similar to that. For example, I think there are several well known instances of hugely quoted bible verses known for centuries (from the King James version and earlier versions, etc) which have now changed in all bibles everywhere. But some are just personal to me like what I mentioned.

What is funny though which is likened to deja vu is that I swear I have had the moment before at times even when I hear the news, it's like I have had this moment before and somethings not quite right here .. Or when someone say's something to me it's like they have said it before ..

Wow very interesting. See many would say oh right it seems you've had that convo before...it's just regular old deja vu. But when it's something specific or has a certain context, is that really so likely that it's just your mind playing tricks on you? No...it's not so likely, is it? That's when you might want to take a moment and see if anything else comes forward, or what it is about that which is speaking to you.

Definitely with the news, I think you are quite likely experiencing a Mandela effect, especially if it's been happening to you more post-2008. I feel that I've had this feeling too where the news had been somehow altered to what I had already heard, like a replay with edits. I had this feeling on a few occasions and it was probably in the last several years but now I can't recall what the topic(s) were.

I know this is not what you are saying but it does open the door to our reality being more bendy and flexible to enable a broader perspective or awareness to be had of it while experiencing it ..

Yes I think that's it...as our awareness deepens, we are more easily able to step outside and view our soul's journey, including maybe some special bits of this life and/or other lives. Definitely, I've seen or remembered or re-lived bits of several past lives, and they say these memories come forth because they are the strongest and/or need the most mending. Often both.

Your understandings seem plausible as do mine but without seeing the cogs turning so to speak I can't say for sure what's going on ..

So, to that, I'll be taking it to one or more designees for some further discussion with them and my close soul family But I received a glimpse of the cogs and the reconstruction being like when the picture is gone but you have the negative from which to re-create it, down to the smallest iota. If it happens in an instant then I am not certain there is any good way to apprehend it other than to have the guides share that via illumination or "show" you in some fashion, you know?

There always seems to be the coming back to awareness as things are now, I didn't stay back in awareness of my past so there is something to our reality of 'now' that obviously hits home and is in some way magnetic to our awareness (sounding like tolle now) so although time and space is bendy, it doesn't seem to bend for too long before there is present awareness oh how things are now even though how things are now can change now lol.

Agreed. Moment-to-moment continuity brings us back to now (with heartfelt gratitude). Total reinstantiation after utter destruction brings us back to now, plus Mandela (with heartfelt gratitude and profound awe). But it all comes back to now. Being back with your teenage self is something that you can do with expanded awareness and then you can bring that back to your now moment.

I suppose only time will tell before things make sense completely regarding how and why such things happen ..

It's all interesting stuff ..
x daz x

So true. One thing that stands out from all this is what Michael said. Is that really your intent? Like, a literal moment after I put it out there. And then, after his momentary illumination of what that would actually entail or mean, I said no of course not. And then he said, then your true intent has been recorded. Somehow, our intentions for some of these fundamental things are captured and if you wanted something that would entail a total redo of things and not even "as they are" (99.etc%) but different, such that I am not me anymore because I am a part of how things are now. With the souls created next to me who were created next to me, LOL. To change that is to request not just another reinstantiation, like if CERN blows it all up. To change who I am and thus who they are and so forth requires something different to any of that. That is another magnitude of new and different. So...that's NOT the direction I want to go, LOL.

What it would really amount to is back into the soup pot of souls and it would be like I never existed but much more that that. To wish for that fundamental a change is to wish yourself out of existence and everyone else, too. Essentially, an end to all the individuated consciousness in existence because to rip up the fabric and redo it means all of it. There's no other way to make it different at that fundamental a level (creation of souls) to what it is now, except to completely remake an entirely new universe -- where you and I and so forth wouldn't even exist anymore.

I don't think it's something most realise when they reach this level of frustration. I didn't TBH -- not till I got an immediate counter from Michael. I just thought I was asking for future lives without them, at least for a time. But I think if most understood the deeper implications of these requests, it would be truly helpful. Also, at a certain level of awareness, you just can't put these intentions or requests out there, ever. It matters, apparently. I don't know what all this means either, but I do know those bits are important.

Maybe if humanity as a whole could share in these experiences and understandings of how things work, it could be a profound help in changing mindsets and mending hearts. I.e., getting that we all have been woven into the tapestry in this way and you literally cannot undo or cherry pick bits of it regarding the creation of souls...or it all falls apart. To wish for cherry-picked bits of it to be different than they are at the level of the creation of souls is the same as wishing for total annihilation...your own and everyone and everything else's, as well.

If we receive the illuminations in our hearts and reflect on them, they could diffuse a lot of profound despair and confusion, or misplaced frustration and resentment, or even lethal anger, oppression, violence, and murder. Because it really points to a misdirection of efforts and energies. Containment is at times appropriate but most of the violence and oppression is just so pointless. Rather than hating and seeking to destroy or oppress, folks could gradually begin to accept/feel accepted and to support/feel supported. They could begin to focus on ownership, personal and collective, and on sustainable community.

What do you think? It made a big impression on me but I wonder how it strikes others who have also been walking their path and exploring the big picture (why do we exist? why do we exist as we do? do we truly matter and if so, why and how? (explain, show me), etc.)

Peace & blessings Daz
7L

[VinceField]

What we know of God we know through his creation, through his revelations, through is word and through his son Jesus Christ. Far too many people hold their own feelings and preferences as the standard on which to base truth, which is folly.

[sky]

Originally Posted by VinceField

What we know of God we know through his creation, through his revelations, through is word and through his son Jesus Christ. Far too many people hold their own feelings and preferences as the standard on which to base truth, which is folly.

What we know of God has to come from self realization, inside.... not outside.

[davidmartin]

Originally Posted by sky123

What we know of God has to come from self realization, inside.... not outside.

I think it is more kind of like what a baby knows of it's mother when in the womb?
the baby is inside what it wants to know and is literally one with her
this is emotional truth and where we stand in relation to it
'self realisation' sounds tedious and 'scripture', well, that can be interpreted so many ways you need another source of guidance to use it (and usually it is a man not God).
This is the truth Jesus said to the woman at the well, the truth will just come up inside of you like a fountain. that's the heart of the gospel to me, sin gets all the attention though unfortunately

[VinceField]

Originally Posted by sky123

What we know of God has to come from self realization, inside.... not outside.

False. Your subjective "realization" has little to do with the objective truth of God. If God wants to reveal himself personally to you, He has the power to do so, but he has already revealed himself through the means I already stated and this is sufficient enough to have proper knowledge of him.

[sky]

Originally Posted by VinceField

False. Your subjective "realization" has little to do with the objective truth of God. If God wants to reveal himself personally to you, He has the power to do so, but he has already revealed himself through the means I already stated and this is sufficient enough to have proper knowledge of him.

False to you, true to me

[Rah nam]

Is it fair to say that essentially God is a mystery?

Sure, if it is a mystery to you, it is fair to say.

[Honza]

Originally Posted by sky123

False to you, true to me

This discussion/argument goes round and round without ever reaching a consensus. As do many other discussions/arguments.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Honza

This discussion/argument goes round and round without ever reaching a consensus. As do many other discussions/arguments.

Cause and effect Honza..... Everything is cause and effect, you can't get away from it.