Any scientific proof of Astral Projection?

I'm not a disbeliever or anything, but I'm wondering if there's any concrete proof supporting or criticizing the notion of astral projection?

And I'd love to hear your own experiences of AP :)

[Riboflavin]

Yes there have been some experiments on it that have given some evidence to there being a real phenomenon. The problem is that the results are difficult to duplicate with subsequent experiments which sort of makes it unprovable.

[Xan]

Here's a good book written by someone with a practical, scientific view of life who didn't believe in astral projection until it happened to him. I consider these accounts more convincing than the artificial laboratory conditions that scientists often dream up.

Out of Body Experiences - http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html


Xan

[Silver]

Originally Posted by Xan

Here's a good book written by someone who didn't believe in astral projection until it happened to him. I consider these accounts more convincing than the artificial laboratory conditions that scientists often dream up.

Out of Body Experiences - http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html


Xan

I've yet to take a look at the link ~ did it happen by accident or was he trying at the time?

(You'll probly make me go read it to find out, rofl.)

Originally Posted by Riboflavin

Yes there have been some experiments on it that have given some evidence to there being a real phenomenon. The problem is that the results are difficult to duplicate with subsequent experiments which sort of makes it unprovable.

Oh wow that's interesting. Do you know who conducted the experiment or any other information about it? Good to know that a subject such as astral projection has been actively studied.

Originally Posted by Xan

Here's a good book written by someone with a practical, scientific view of life who didn't believe in astral projection until it happened to him. I consider these accounts more convincing than the artificial laboratory conditions that scientists often dream up.

Out of Body Experiences - http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html


Xan

Ahh thank you. I'll have a look at this later :)

[Xan]

Silvergirl... You're probably the kind who wants to know how the movie ends before you see it. ha ha

It's the reading that is so good.


Xan

As someone said before, there have been studies on remote viewing and OBEs which have shown that there is something to it. Other people have tried these experiments and came up with nothing. So far, they haven't proved or disproved the phenomenon.
I recommend you read about as many experiences as you can. Not just about astral projection and OBEs - read about experiences with substances such as Salvia, N,N-DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, Psilocybin, and Ibogaine. Experiences with these substances can sound almost identical to what a person would experience while astral projecting:
Vibrations, tingling, feelings of energy through the body. Ringing, or buzzing in the ears.
Sensation of expanding, sinking/shrinking. Contact with other entities (spirits, aliens). Seeing tunnels, vortexes, fractal patterns.
But with these substances, it is less controlled and more intense than a regular OBE but the similarities are definitely there.

Originally Posted by earthatic

I recommend you read about as many experiences as you can. Not just about astral projection and OBEs - read about experiences with substances such as Salvia, N,N-DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, Psilocybin, and Ibogaine.

I used Ibogaine and it helped me resolve a heroin habit. Ibogaine saved my life.

Years ago I read several astral travel books and one thing they all suggested was that your astral body can dwell in the physical world as well as the other usual dream states.

So I've been waiting for someone to do a simple experiment where you write something on a piece of paper and store it somewhere high up in a cabinet or in an adjacent locked room. Then the subject can astral travel and read it and report the results and that's it.

The books made it sound easy enough once you got some practice and they were positive about real world travel. So what's going on? Tests like this must have been done? I assume they say "oh well I slipped into the astral world when I tried to read the paper" when they couldn't get a positive hit.

[IsleWalker]

Originally Posted by joelr

Years ago I read several astral travel books and one thing they all suggested was that your astral body can dwell in the physical world as well as the other usual dream states.

So I've been waiting for someone to do a simple experiment where you write something on a piece of paper and store it somewhere high up in a cabinet or in an adjacent locked room. Then the subject can astral travel and read it and report the results and that's it.

The books made it sound easy enough once you got some practice and they were positive about real world travel. So what's going on? Tests like this must have been done? I assume they say "oh well I slipped into the astral world when I tried to read the paper" when they couldn't get a positive hit.

Been done--repeatedly. Read the Buhlman book Adventures Beyond the Body. He would find that (a) he forgot, (b) he remembered and wrote on the paper but it didn't show when he woke, (c)he spent all his time and energy with this stupid experiment.

This is NOT an objective experience, for the most part, so experiments to try to "prove" beyond a shadow of a doubt are, by definition, a waste of time. This is SUBJECTIVE and therefore, my experience will differ from yours and everyone elses, even if we could manage to get to the same "place" (which is doubtful) at the same time.

It's the same as people on this site who decide that they will "meet" someone else on the site during a projection. I don't think I've ever heard it be entirely successful. One subject may see the other, but not as they were that night, or both will see different surroundings, or they will just sense the other person but not be sure. And they waste tremendous energy trying to synchronize time zones and get in their astral states at the same times.

Sorry to be so adamant about this but there are so many--STILL--after they have experienced what OBEs are who are trying to "prove" it with a basis that can't be used. There are those who will say that they aren't "real" then.

So be it. You've pretty much missed the point. The other dimensions are based on consciousness and intent of each consciousness--and those always vary from each other.

Again--sorry to come off strong but this strikes me as a waste of time.

Lora