Spiritual awakening or mental illness?

Absolutely Ajay, I mean what if war was based on spiritual beliefs? What if one group of people believed that theirs was the true spirituality, and another group believed that theirs was the true spiritual? What if they believed so much that theirs was the one true spirituality, and that theirs was the right to take control over those they believed had got it wrong?

But hey, thankfully that would never happen... it couldn't possibly be... to be so blind as to imagine that their beliefs are the only true spirituality? imagine it their right and duty to change anyone that sees anything other than that?

Thank source that spirituality could never be corrupted like that big bad psychology is... wow, imagine that... a war based on spirituality - unbelievable!

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Ivy

Absolutely Ajay, I mean what if war was based on spiritual beliefs? What if one group of people believed that theirs was the true spirituality, and another group believed that theirs was the true spiritual? What if they believed so much that theirs was the one true spirituality, and that theirs was the right to take control over those they believed had got it wrong?

But hey, thankfully that would never happen... it couldn't possibly be... to be so blind as to imagine that their beliefs are the only true spirituality? imagine it their right and duty to change anyone that sees anything other than that?

Thank source that spirituality could never be corrupted like that big bad psychology is... wow, imagine that... a war based on spirituality - unbelievable!

There is a difference between spirituality and religion, and I had mentioned this in my earlier posts.

Wars can be conducted on differences in religious beliefs, as was done by the crusaders and Jihadis who lacked a proper understanding of what spirituality is about.

Muhammad has stated that the greatest Jihad is the Jihad against one's own self.

Similarly Christ had emphasized non-violence and non-reactivity.


However those conditioned in religious beliefs, ( or political or ideological or nationalistic beliefs too for that matter) they use it as a prop for the ego which thrives on distinctiveness and separateness from the whole.

Religion , originally formulated by spiritual masters for the expansion of consciousness and eradication of the separative ego, becomes a tool in the hands of the ignorant for increasing unconsciousness and conflict through emphasis of dualism manifested in 'them' and 'us' .

This is contrary to the peace, love,acceptance and harmony which are the prime objectives of spirituality.

[wmsm]

Spiritual awakening is demonstrated throughout our history to have been party to the development of religion and religious belief.

For those of us who have lived a spiritual life, and have received spiritual messages, spiritual presences know via our own self experience that spirit is real.

We also learnt that the mental condition of our life is a spiritual condition also, as our natural brain function/chemical brain health was in origin an inherited world wide spirit that we considered was our first angelic presence.

This body equal in light, broke into many different males. The same light spirit of the female also did the same, therefore our parentage was an equal self.

Since we applied science to the atmosphere involving conversion of the stone, the nuclear burnt the atmosphere as we witness as a spiritual evil outcome. The natural healed chemical wavelengths get burnt...they attack the human mind, burnt the human chemistry and brain cells and caused cellular mutations.

Humans were therefore born with a mutated spirit, unable to express their self correctly. They hear voices and so do spiritual mediums and psychics and this is why it was thought that the 2 circumstances were the same.

Yet by evidence, the atmosphere has an ability to record life, transmit imagery of living life and records us every day as a record, that psychics call the past life record. Every day we all are a part of the living record.

Psychics have always heard messages relayed through the past life record from the deceased light family members making contact, using these records of their own personal self to deliver messages to their family.

Sadly, as our atmosphere was given a devil burnt spirit image/alien image, the burnt chemical wavelength affected our brain/chemistry and also as we live, our life is enabled to hear the past life lived records and living records as a mentally induced circumstance.

Therefore a human in this mind state finds it far more difficult to deal with hearing of voices of our family, as their brain chemistry already causes them to suffer such other painful felt life circumstances. Dealing with feelings that don't rationally belong to us, they are subject to such cruel lives, feeling feelings through a burnt self. Hence they cannot describe to us correctly how they feel, but they certainly are haunted by the voices they hear.

Therefore the condition is real and it is not a mental health condition that allows our spirit to be psychic, it is a natural condition.

Our spiritual communion was once a worldwide conscious self who was able to know everyone on Earth to whom they related as their own personal family.

I really wish we had this healing circumstance again, but sadly for us Scientists keep burning our atmosphere as they want the power of the spirit and search for it by converting nuclear, which attacks us all as demonstrated.

This is the reason why the Catholic brothers knew about devil possession, and devil attacks and how it was a similar condition to mental health itself. Yet by circumstance for those of us attacked by the nuclear burnt chemical wavelength as an evil spirit....others in our family are gaining a mutated DNA cell.

Their children are then born with a mental health condition.

This is why burning of the chemical wavelength is an act of evil science and for those same scientists to then review our spirit as if it is unintelligent via its mental condition is truly an unjust review.

"Are the mystics and sages insane? Because they all tell variations on the same story, don't they? The story of awakening one morning and discovering you are one with the All, in a timeless and eternal and infinite fashion. Yes, maybe they are crazy, these divine fools. Maybe they are mumbling idiots in the face of the Abyss. Maybe they need a nice, understanding therapist. Yes, I'm sure that would help. But then, I wonder. Maybe the evolutionary sequence really is from matter to body to mind to soul to spirit, each transcending and including, each with a greater depth and greater consciousness and wider embrace. And in the highest reaches of evolution, maybe, just maybe, an individual's consciousness does indeed touch infinity — a total embrace of the entire Kosmos — a Kosmic consciousness that is Spirit awakened to its own true nature. It's at least plausible. And tell me: is that story, sung by mystics and sages the world over, any crazier than the scientific materialism story, which is that the entire sequence is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying absolutely nothing? Listen very carefully: just which of those two stories actually sounds totally insane?"

Ken Wilber, in A Brief History of Everything (1996)

Originally Posted by ajay00

There is a difference between spirituality and religion, and I had mentioned this in my earlier posts.

Wars can be conducted on differences in religious beliefs, as was done by the crusaders and Jihadis who lacked a proper understanding of what spirituality is about.

Muhammad has stated that the greatest Jihad is the Jihad against one's own self.

Similarly Christ had emphasized non-violence and non-reactivity.


However those conditioned in religious beliefs, ( or political or ideological or nationalistic beliefs too for that matter) they use it as a prop for the ego which thrives on distinctiveness and separateness from the whole.

Religion , originally formulated by spiritual masters for the expansion of consciousness and eradication of the separative ego, becomes a tool in the hands of the ignorant for increasing unconsciousness and conflict through emphasis of dualism manifested in 'them' and 'us' .

This is contrary to the peace, love,acceptance and harmony which are the prime objectives of spirituality.

I do agree with what you're saying regarding religions. However, the reason I mentioned spirituality is because of this and your relation between 'true spirituality' and non-duality:

It is high time the differences between psychology and spirituality is outlined before the latter too is corrupted by further misunderstandings of what the true nature of spirituality is about

My spirituality is based around non-duality. However, I have encountered numerous non-dualists that are responding to non-duality in a religious frame of mind. The many books teaching people about non-duality through their intellect leave a space between 'non-dualism' and spirituality in the same way that there is a space between Christianity and spirituality for some.

For as soon as something is written as non-fictional, it seems to be human nature to learn the knowledge and forego the journey to discovering the essence.

So to me, religiosity is not in the religion, it is in the person. Therefore, using comparatives between those misunderstanding and the true nature of spirituality - the guru and the deluded - the higher and the lower etc, will continue to divide the world. Changes in the way we relate to self and others happens within individuals - one is the only number.

[wmsm]

Originally Posted by Ivy

I do agree with what you're saying regarding religions. However, the reason I mentioned spirituality is because of this and your relation between 'true spirituality' and non-duality:



My spirituality is based around non-duality. However, I have encountered numerous non-dualists that are responding to non-duality in a religious frame of mind. The many books teaching people about non-duality through their intellect leave a space between 'non-dualism' and spirituality in the same way that there is a space between Christianity and spirituality for some.

For as soon as something is written as non-fictional, it seems to be human nature to learn the knowledge and forego the journey to discovering the essence.

So to me, religiosity is not in the religion, it is in the person. Therefore, using comparatives between those misunderstanding and the true nature of spirituality - the guru and the deluded - the higher and the lower etc, will continue to divide the world. Changes in the way we relate to self and others happens within individuals - one is the only number.

Religion as a review of concepts regards creation and creation itself is not discussing the personal spirit, it includes the personal spirit as a reason for being spiritual.

We therefore gained the reason why we were incarnate and then gained the reason for a lifestyle.

This lifestyle involved an understanding of who we were, how we came to be ourselves, what it meant to be conscious and also what the spiritual life demonstrated as a spiritual statement.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Ivy

My spirituality is based around non-duality. However, I have encountered numerous non-dualists that are responding to non-duality in a religious frame of mind.

Religion is a system or a methodology created by the enlightened sage or saint to enable others to attain a spiritual state of consciousness in a shorter span of time. This state of consciousness itself will enable non-dual perception, and not just as a theoretical understanding. Hence there is nothing wrong with religion for that matter.

Religion becomes an issue when it becomes a source of identification as in ideology or nationality or creed, and a cause for dualism itself, manifest in 'we' and 'them' .

It takes a subtle intellect to understand this phenomenon.

Originally Posted by Ivy

The many books teaching people about non-duality through their intellect leave a space between 'non-dualism' and spirituality in the same way that there is a space between Christianity and spirituality for some.

In the Gita it is said , " There is nothing in this world that is as purifying as knowledge." Knowledge is but a detergent or soap to purify oneself of the dirt of unconsciousness or ignorance. If it is available in books, well and good, especially when you do not have access to a teacher or guide to study meditation or other practices.

If one is stuck in intellectual understanding as taught by the books and does not make the transition to experiential understanding, that is where a space between 'non-dualism' and spirituality arises, because the mere intellectual conception of non-dualism can potentially become a conditioning then and create dualism.


Christ had stated that 'God is love'. He had also stated thus...


Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. - 1 John 4:16

Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12

And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. - Colossians 3:14


Here too , through outlining the spiritual quality of love, you can see Christ laying the foundation for practical non-dualism and unitary perception.

However, when the religious system created by Christ for expansion of consciousness through love, becomes a source of unconscious identification and hence dualism (Christian and heathen/heretic), non-dualism goes for a toss, along with love, peace and harmony.

And this is where the space between Christianity and spirituality arises.

[wmsm]

Originally Posted by ajay00

Religion is a system or a methodology created by the enlightened sage or saint to enable others to attain a spiritual state of consciousness in a shorter span of time. This state of consciousness itself will enable non-dual perception, and not just as a theoretical understanding. Hence there is nothing wrong with religion for that matter.

Religion becomes an issue when it becomes a source of identification as in ideology or nationality or creed, and a cause for dualism itself, manifest in 'we' and 'them' .

It takes a subtle intellect to understand this phenomenon.




In the Gita it is said , " There is nothing in this world that is as purifying as knowledge." Knowledge is but a detergent or soap to purify oneself of the dirt of unconsciousness or ignorance. If it is available in books, well and good, especially when you do not have access to a teacher or guide to study meditation or other practices.

If one is stuck in intellectual understanding as taught by the books and does not make the transition to experiential understanding, that is where a space between 'non-dualism' and spirituality arises, because the mere intellectual conception of non-dualism can potentially become a conditioning then and create dualism.


Christ had stated that 'God is love'. He had also stated thus...


Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. - 1 John 4:16

Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12

And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. - Colossians 3:14


Here too , through outlining the spiritual quality of love, you can see Christ laying the foundation for practical non-dualism and unitary perception.

However, when the religious system created by Christ for expansion of consciousness through love, becomes a source of unconscious identification and hence dualism (Christian and heathen/heretic), non-dualism goes for a toss, along with love, peace and harmony.

And this is where the space between Christianity and spirituality arises.

We are a natural spirit, who came by natural circumstance of a pre ceding change to our own light body...which is why we spiritually manifested into an organic life.

We ask ourselves how did we become organic.

The advice answered....You were a light spirit as a higher light presence. You moved out of your own Light Body mass as a state of eviction.

You are aware that you witnessed all other natural spirits forming in front of you in the light. Therefore your witnessed self advised you that you are not the Creator, and that the Creator was creating all spirit including yourself.

Your light spirit moved into another light body...a lower light body and a lower light sound. In an instant the light body of your own self transformed and began to create its self manifestation through the many activated self sounds that formed the separation of sound inside of your own spirit.

In 1 moment all sound of differences formed your organic manifestation. We were created, we manifested, we were aware.

As the aware being, we then used this information to establish the conditions that caused our spirit to be in the circumstance of being made manifest.

Therefore we then told the conclusive evidence to ourselves about how we got to be a human being.

This story as a combination of self awareness is only a statement as literature.

The spirit living its life then committed an evil act to its own self, by realizing records of information that were self created from burning light/healing light forming records of light/sound imagery.

This is how a human male gained access to records regarding atomic and nuclear creation due to the records having been made.

Hence the scientific consciousness tried to insinuate that we gain scientific awareness as our energetic self is an atom. They then on purpose placed our spiritual life in contact with these nuclear messages to study us as if we are an energy body.

Yet we are not an energy body and we are NOT AN ATOM. They then began to burn us all, as the spiritual witness identifies.

I have been trying to advise the Scientists, that we are a light form of vibration of sound that forms a water like body within us, yet we are not water are we?

The Scientist studies the water droplet, says its the same star pattern as the Holy David, says that our body is an atom, as the water pattern has the same pattern as an atom. They tried to insinuate that water is an atom also...yet water is water...an atom an atom. Both manifest at different light vibrations.

We are a higher spirit that moved into a lower spirit.

The lower creation healed and moved itself into a higher spirit.

Yet the creation spirit is lower than our own....scientists of the occult wanted our spirit to be the next healed spirit of the creation information.

Creation does not belong to us. We came into the life after all creative acts allowed us to exist.

As our spirit provides the seeing evidence that it can WITNESS ALL THINGS LESS THAN ITSELF, for us to see the water droplet vibrating demonstrates that we are not the water droplet.

It is about time that Scientists of the occult realize that we did not come from the act of converSION and are not some form of higher substance for their occult gain or recognition of a higher power.

Why don't you just murder us all at once and get it over with, instead of causing us to evolve into a state of cellular de-evolution involving disease and plagues?

Originally Posted by ajay00

Religion is a system or a methodology created by the enlightened sage or saint to enable others to attain a spiritual state of consciousness in a shorter span of time. This state of consciousness itself will enable non-dual perception, and not just as a theoretical understanding. Hence there is nothing wrong with religion for that matter.

Religion becomes an issue when it becomes a source of identification as in ideology or nationality or creed, and a cause for dualism itself, manifest in 'we' and 'them' .

It takes a subtle intellect to understand this phenomenon.

In the Gita it is said , " There is nothing in this world that is as purifying as knowledge." Knowledge is but a detergent or soap to purify oneself of the dirt of unconsciousness or ignorance. If it is available in books, well and good, especially when you do not have access to a teacher or guide to study meditation or other practices.

If one is stuck in intellectual understanding as taught by the books and does not make the transition to experiential understanding, that is where a space between 'non-dualism' and spirituality arises, because the mere intellectual conception of non-dualism can potentially become a conditioning then and create dualism.


Christ had stated that 'God is love'. He had also stated thus...


Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. - 1 John 4:16

Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12

And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. - Colossians 3:14


Here too , through outlining the spiritual quality of love, you can see Christ laying the foundation for practical non-dualism and unitary perception.

However, when the religious system created by Christ for expansion of consciousness through love, becomes a source of unconscious identification and hence dualism (Christian and heathen/heretic), non-dualism goes for a toss, along with love, peace and harmony.

And this is where the space between Christianity and spirituality arises.

So, you made the differentiation between the corruption of psychology and stated that "It is high time the differences between psychology and spirituality is outlined before the latter too is corrupted by further misunderstandings of what the true nature of spirituality is about , as has been done by organised religion."

My point was, that spirituality has already been corrupted as your post shows.

In contrast, many psychological therapies teach people the practise of mindfulness, of being in the moment. They show people that the mind's perception is not akin to actuality and people may learn the common tricks that the mind plays and become the 'it' that is, rather than the 'it' that is led by the minds illusions created from past conditioning.

They don't teach knowledge of non-duality, but they do offer practical approaches that have the potential to enable people to live more spiritually in practise.

In terms of corruption, capitalism in America and other countries can lead to people being in therapy for many years longer than is needed. And similarly, the industry of spirituality thrives under capitalism in the same corrupted way = by selling people things that aren't needed or useful to them. But I disagree that any one way (psychological or spiritual) is more or less corrupted than another.

But whether we follow that corruption or become corrupted by it, can only be down to the one with that choice.

[Terra Tourist]

Awakening or psychosis? I've often wondered if they are one and the same thing, except one term is perceived as positive and the other negative.

Moses, Jesus, St Paul and Joan of Arc would be in a psych ward by today's standards. Hallucinations? Believing god chose them as special in some way? Believing they speak directly to other realm entities? Believing that a being can read your thoughts?

Before modern psychiatry, these people were gladly perceived as influential mystics and prophets with a profound connection to a higher consciousness, which could only be accessed through great personal internal suffering as their conditioned beliefs broke down to reveal their strength.

Now, if you presented with any of their 'symptoms', you most likely would be diagnosed with psychosis, narcissism and a slew of other disorders.

One could argue that the difference between a spiritual awakening and psychosis is that the individual suffers greatly with psychosis and cannot lead a functional 'normal' life. Yet, each of the mentioned prophets were deeply disturbed by their connection to the higher realms at some point.

So, perhaps the only real difference is societal perception. Maybe.

Perhaps one day in the distant future, humanity will reel in horror at how us 21st century folk treated our mystics and prophets. ;)