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10-09-2017, 08:16 AM
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Prayer
Is Prayer God's crowning glory in the Christian faith, if so, why ? If not why ?
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16-09-2017, 12:40 PM
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The central message of the Christian faith is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Because he died for our sins we can become children of God is we repent of our sins and put our faith in Christ. As God's children we have the privilege of praying to him and having him listen to our prayers.
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16-09-2017, 02:24 PM
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Hi Folks..
Theo; Hmm - what about the other two thirds of the world who DONT follow that god at all..??..
And didn't Christ tell us to STOP praying in that "religious manner" as they do in church..??..
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17-09-2017, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ab Origine
Hi Folks..
Theo; Hmm - what about the other two thirds of the world who DONT follow that god at all..??..
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They are lost and will die with their sins unforgiven unless they hear the gospel and repent of their sins and put their faith in Christ. That is why Christians are commanded to tell others the gospel. Here are the last words Jesus spoke before he was taken up into Heaven.
"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Acts 1:8
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And didn't Christ tell us to STOP praying in that "religious manner" as they do in church..??..
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Here is what Christ said about how we should pray.
"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matthew 6:5,6
We are not to pray as a religious person prays to he god but as a child speaks to his father.
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The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
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18-09-2017, 05:27 AM
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All those people who prayed during Irma whilst watching their homes and existence being destroyed were obviously wasting their time.
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18-09-2017, 07:16 AM
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I can't say, it's useless if we pray or it must be very effective to any particular situation. It depends on situation and condition. Irma is not appropriate for prayers , that's superstitious to depend only on prayers.
When the typhoons is caused by some Gods by sending strong energy to the clouds to stirring up the strong whirl, if no other God can calm and clear the energy in the clouds then prayers is useless.
If they're too many bad gods in the universe to cast energy on the same clouds then it isn't easy from other Gods to clear the energy in the clouds. So there'll be very hard or no chance to perish the typhoon. It's clear that prayers can't be applied to this case.
The solution is not working if no one can avoid or reject or get rid of the sent strength to the clouds then we can't do anything about it. And it's will definitely causing heavy wind, a torrential rain and floods.... some human get killed.
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18-09-2017, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong
I can't say, it's useless if we pray or it must be very effective to any particular situation. It depends on situation and condition. Irma is not appropriate for prayers , that's superstitious to depend only on prayers.
When the typhoons is caused by some Gods by sending strong energy to the clouds to stirring up the strong whirl, if no other God can calm and clear the energy in the clouds then prayers is useless.
If they're too many bad gods in the universe to cast energy on the same clouds then it isn't easy from other Gods to clear the energy in the clouds. So there'll be very hard or no chance to perish the typhoon. It's clear that prayers can't be applied to this case.
The solution is not working if no one can avoid or reject or get rid of the sent strength to the clouds then we can't do anything about it. And it's will definitely causing heavy wind, a torrential rain and floods.... some human get killed.
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Does this mean we have good weather gods and bad weather gods? And if so what do they have as objectives?
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18-09-2017, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Busby
All those people who prayed during Irma whilst watching their homes and existence being destroyed were obviously wasting their time.
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No, they weren't. God only promises to listen to the prayers of Christians but he doesn't say he will never listen to others when they pray. If they are really seeking God he will help them find what they are looking for.
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The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
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18-09-2017, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by theophilus
No, they weren't. God only promises to listen to the prayers of Christians but he doesn't say he will never listen to others when they pray. If they are really seeking God he will help them find what they are looking for.
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When and where did god only promises to listen to Christians ?
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18-09-2017, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Busby
Does this mean we have good weather gods and bad weather gods? And if so what do they have as objectives?
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God weather gods are not significant in this case because good weather seems to be caused by natural occurrence. By bad weather is mostly caused by the bad gods energy hunters.
When they're sending energy and harvesting energy, their energy can be seen and the energy is connecting with their bodies to the clouds. That can easily be verified as disturbed by the bad gods.
But the Irma is different, their plots are sending the energy and they're fleeing away from the scene where they stay. And they're thousands of them that means they've to sacrifice themselves for the energy no matter how much they..... But they're almost all eliminated for disturbing the weather. And the storm Irma is unavoidable after they sent so much strong energy to the clouds. They're the tortoise family Gods in the universe.
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