mysterious interchangeability of cause and consequence.

[weareunity]

Hello all.

A thought has come to mind which I do not have the knowledge to verify, but think it may be of interest to those of you who may have that ability.

As follows:-

That at some point of increasingly minute examination, cause and consequence become interchangeable.

This may be nonsense or simple commonsense.

petex

Yes, you are right (IMO)

BTW Petex, Buddhism also teaches this, I believe.

Namaste,

JL

[FallingLeaves]

in 3D yes...

but one possibility is that if one has a 4D 'hand' so to speak they can effect change to multiple positions within the 3D domain simultaneously.... making cause and effect a much different thing to them than it is to us. What to us seems sequential seems to them simultaneous... however again this is like a 'book' in that for them there would be other things that were sequential (for example 'sequences' of changing multiple 3D things at once) l and living in '3D' might give the 'lesson' about sequentialness.


what I am saying is that even though you can make a case that what we see as cause and effect is anything but... that still doesn't belie the underlying fact that some things can still be described sequentially.

[inavalan]

Good points!

Seth makes some good points too

https://findingseth.com/q/cause+and+consequence/

"With your growing population it becomes more difficult to discharge this energy in what I would call natural ways; that is, by letting it spill over into the nonidentity molecular realm. Privation naturally leads to great aggression of feeling. Where there is great privation there will be a cruel climate, but the climate does not cause the privation. The emotional aggression caused by privation caused the climate."
—TES2 Session 56 May 25, 1964

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Good points!

Seth makes some good points too

Inavalan,

Thanks for the Seth material finder:
https://findingseth.com/q/cause+and+consequence/

....very useful and informative, as is your quote from one of his sessions: "With your growing population it becomes more difficult to discharge this energy in what I would call natural ways; that is, by letting it spill over into the nonidentity molecular realm. Privation naturally leads to great aggression of feeling. Where there is great privation there will be a cruel climate, but the climate does not cause the privation. The emotional aggression caused by privation caused the climate."
—TES2 Session 56 May 25, 1964

[weareunity]

Hello guthrio.

A little message for you in the "story" section.

petex

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by weareunity

Hello guthrio.

A little message for you in the "story" section.

petex

Hello Petex

The Seeker returns to find Himself anew, and grateful for Friends met on the Path. http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...d.php?t=118283

Sometimes it works out that way in Spiritual Forums, too!

Thank you.
Guthrio

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by guthrio

Inavalan,

Thanks for the Seth material finder:
https://findingseth.com/q/cause+and+consequence/

....very useful and informative, as is your quote from one of his sessions: "With your growing population it becomes more difficult to discharge this energy in what I would call natural ways; that is, by letting it spill over into the nonidentity molecular realm. Privation naturally leads to great aggression of feeling. Where there is great privation there will be a cruel climate, but the climate does not cause the privation. The emotional aggression caused by privation caused the climate."
—TES2 Session 56 May 25, 1964

You're welcome

[weareunity]

Hello all.

A further associated question/s which has/have long been of interest to me--and whilst making no assumptions, it seems likely that the same/similar question/s has/have very probably come to the mind of those of you reading and contributing here--and those beyond--is:-

Can the process of cause and consequence/effect happen without space and time?

If considered that "it" cannot, then does this seem to indicate that what we experience as space and time is "itself" a consequence in the sense of being a necessity if the process is to function?

The post by yourself earlier Falling Leaves has a bearing on this/these question/s I think.

petex

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by weareunity

Hello all.

A further associated question/s which has/have long been of interest to me--and whilst making no assumptions, it seems likely that the same/similar question/s has/have very probably come to the mind of those of you reading and contributing here--and those beyond--is:-

Can the process of cause and consequence/effect happen without space and time?

If considered that "it" cannot, then does this seem to indicate that what we experience as space and time is "itself" a consequence in the sense of being a necessity if the process is to function?

The post by yourself earlier Falling Leaves has a bearing on this/these question/s I think.

petex

Weareunity,

I took advantage of the SethFinder Inavalan provided earlier in this thread to put in the search string "simultaneous"....to use as a perspective to answer your question, and why: https://findingseth.com/q/simultaneous/ . Of course, there is nothing precluding you from putting in your own words to the SethFinder to see even more very interesting views from this multi-dimensional being, such as this one: "The “true facts” are that you exist in this life and outside it simultaneously. You are “between lives” and “in lives” at once. The deeper dimensions of reality are such that your thoughts and actions not only affect the life you know, but also reach into all of those other simultaneous existences. What you think now is unconsciously perceived by some hypothetical 14th-century self. The psyche is open-ended. No system is closed, psychological systems least of all. Your life is a dreaming experience to other portions of your greater reality which focus elsewhere."
—NotP Chapter 2: Session 759, October 27, 1975

Believe me, I found that particular statement "Minds-eye"-opening, to say the least! Of course, you can see what else Seth says (which you can read for yourself, of course), Let me also just state that the contemporary term "hologram" kept coming to Mind while I was reading this, er, simultaneously.

P.S. I just had a flash of the Movie starring Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour, called "Somewhere in Time" that may add some flavor to this excellent discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWJC...4rO9EI&index=2

P.P.S. Here's a bit of my own explorations into this "timely" subject:

Reference: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...2&postcount=68 Guess What Day It Is!

Hope this helps. Enjoy