Where Do We Go at Death if not heaven or hell?

[Mystic Mark]

Aknaton:

"Son of man"

Yes ... your own inner/outer guru.

"Escape from the Cycles"

Yes ... this is "the way."

Simply two different ways for understanding the same phenomenon.

Very good!!!

[SimpleMan]

Originally Posted by Aknaton

Now, the post in the beginning is talking about a reincarnation and the possible inability of a christian to understand this concept. It is also a way of downplaying conventional Christian belief which in a general sense has become systemized.

Let us look first at the possible falsehood of reincarnation. Then, we would say that those that do not believe in it are right. Now let us say that it was real. If reincarnation existed, then we would accept that one returning to a body all over again was because of a failure to pass to an acceptable degree the need To attain a higher birth in say a spiritual body. Perhaps due to Karma or attachment.

In the Christian belief system, the Creator who is pure and spotless incarnates and leads a pure spotless life in order that, being karma free, by paying with His blood, to assume all karma that was, is and will be in existence. Having defeated karma, this allows Him as well power over the consequences of unpaid karma and all things cyclical within the universe. He ascends into the Highest Creative Plane and having performed this Sadhana, offers that people would accept Him as Lord over their lives and to live within them, so doing, they attain the merits of His Sadhana. Those who have received the merits of His Sadhana simply by believing and accepting Him to live in their hearts (or core of their being), become instant candidates and immediately receive His Spirit and enter into the way to unite with the Creator once again without having to go through the cycles of karma, Birth, death, etc.

This is by definition guru yoga, except that the guru does not do the Sadhana to attain realisation and then help aspirants, but does the Sadhana for all aspirants at the cost of His own self. That is, you need not carry out the Sadhana but simply accept the merits. Secondly, the guru was not just man, but Creator.
Try getting Yogananda to die for your karma, so that you can be free from it ;-)

This is just a scenario we would accept if the possibility of reincarnation existed; In both cases either way, those that accept Him into their hearts would still go on a path that leads directly to the Creator without the need To partake in the cyclical universal forces of birth, death, karma etc.

* I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though they die, shall live forever.
= The accomplishment of the Creators Sadhana (That is, the Creator in a physical body which is subject to Universal Laws) allowed Him power over cyclical forces and those that accept to become one with Him in Faith, to them He gives that same Power. And the death of their physical body would release their soul upwards to unite with the Creator.

*When The Son of Man sets you free, you are free indeed.
= Being free from cyclical forces frees the soul and one will not need to go down into the sea of maya(The snare of the devil)

That is why Christianity is called "The Way", because there is but one route and one destination. Dear friends, that Guru of whom I speak of is none other than Jesus Christ who walk the streets of Nazareth some two thousand years ago.

And so, allow me to say that whether or not reincarnation exists, it's a Win-Win for the Christian anyway. Oh my, did I sound like a Christian? kkkk

You are really wise!

[SimpleMan]

In John 3:1-21 we find Jesus talking about being born again but this has nothing to do with reincarnation or rebirth.When it comes to what is really right and true, we are all aware of the truth, even when we don't care, deep down in our soul we know, now, just think about reincarnation or rebirth, is this a "pure" way to be a "new creation" or is this an "artificial" way? It does not feel that you can do whatever you want in life, eventually you will reach "enlightenment", even if it takes thousands of lifes? Is this pure and right? Imagine that you have the red color, now, if you add more and more of the white color, the red color changes and looses its "beauty", now, it's not the same with reincarnation or rebirth?

I've been born with this "feeling" inside that reminds me of what is right and true when I am face to face with a decision that I have to make.This "feeling" or "voice" stands for what is truly right and it does not even care if I suffer a consequence of my decision.I ignored this "voice" many times for temporary pleasures when I chose to be selfish and every single time it felt like I've fallen a little bit more, now, everytime I listened to that "voice", my entire being became lighter, like I got up a little bit more.I always knew that this was/is the voice of God, we all have it inside, but not too many people are aware of it...I do believe that we only have a life because this is the only "right" way, one life, one way to reach Heaven.So, to follow with my idea, I neither believe in karma, it's the same thing, it does not feel right, it feels "artificial"...

Well, this is my humble opinion, I still have much to discover and learn.

[white pegasus]

Mark not at all did you attempt to segregate. I think as christians we hold beliefs that are based upon the Bible

Reincarnation is not a belief held by Christian so think reincarnation beliefs are more in alignment with new age

I mean it is a Christian forum so why a question about reincarnation is asked here won't likely get an answer bc christians believe in heaven or hell

All is well

[white pegasus]

Uh yeah sky reincarnation does not exist. It's not a belief held by christians. You might have more luck going to a new age forum. But not in Christian forum hope this helps you

[Tobi]

If you think yourself into "Hell", you'll probably go there....temporarily at least.

Otherwise you may go to a consensus reality (that is a place/situation which has been created and maintained by many minds and Souls over a long period of time) and that place will most likely be in accordance with your deepest desires / thought patterns /Soul signature /what you have learned in the life that has just passed....and even faith and religious beliefs.

It may or may not take some time to realise the situation might not be all that your Soul is. Growth will take place and you could outgrow some consensus realities. But not necessarily. Some are content in these and have no wish for change.

You will most likely be with kindred Souls. Thus, if you are a staunch religious person with doctrine and dogma, you are likely to be in a reality where that is predominant.
Some of those realities are not necessarily close to the Christ, but to the religious belief structures upheld by those who live there. They will be pleasant places.
But your Soul may desire more truth as time passes.
There is much learning to be done in Spirit. Of a different nature to here, but all worthwhile.

Try at least not to think yourself into "Hell." If you do, it won't last but it will be unpleasant while it does.
The realities you enter will be thought-responsive. Some situations more than others. Be prepared for that.

[white pegasus]

Tobi,

"think yourself into hell"??? Are you suggesting that the law of attraction is responsible whether we go to heaven or to hell-please clarify

[sky]

Originally Posted by white pegasus

Uh yeah sky reincarnation does not exist. It's not a belief held by christians. You might have more luck going to a new age forum. But not in Christian forum hope this helps you

So do you think that the Christian Saints and Bishops that wrote the beautiful Prayers/Hymn that I quoted are NOT real Christians?

[sky]

Originally Posted by Tobi

If you think yourself into "Hell", you'll probably go there....temporarily at least.

Otherwise you may go to a consensus reality (that is a place/situation which has been created and maintained by many minds and Souls over a long period of time) and that place will most likely be in accordance with your deepest desires / thought patterns /Soul signature /what you have learned in the life that has just passed....and even faith and religious beliefs.

It may or may not take some time to realise the situation might not be all that your Soul is. Growth will take place and you could outgrow some consensus realities. But not necessarily. Some are content in these and have no wish for change.

You will most likely be with kindred Souls. Thus, if you are a staunch religious person with doctrine and dogma, you are likely to be in a reality where that is predominant.
Some of those realities are not necessarily close to the Christ, but to the religious belief structures upheld by those who live there. They will be pleasant places.
But your Soul may desire more truth as time passes.
There is much learning to be done in Spirit. Of a different nature to here, but all worthwhile.

Try at least not to think yourself into "Hell." If you do, it won't last but it will be unpleasant while it does.
The realities you enter will be thought-responsive. Some situations more than others. Be prepared for that.

Exactly Your thoughts become your reality, you become what you think etc:.

[sky]

Originally Posted by white pegasus

Mark not at all did you attempt to segregate. I think as christians we hold beliefs that are based upon the Bible

Reincarnation is not a belief held by Christian so think reincarnation beliefs are more in alignment with new age

I mean it is a Christian forum so why a question about reincarnation is asked here won't likely get an answer bc christians believe in heaven or hell

All is well

Some Christians DO believe in Reincarnation, I have posted Christian Prayers/Hymn written by CHRISTIAN Saints/Bishops regarding their beliefs in Reincarnation.

My favourite is ,

" Father, grant that my soul may merge into the light, and be no more thrust back into the illusion of earth."

Hope you enjoy it