no need

[running]

Originally Posted by JustBe

You did say, it supercedes everything. What do you relate as everything?

exaxtly what the word implys. Wikipedia can give you a definition.

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Ideational Ping-Pong is a wonderful 'mind' (and potentially also 'spirit') exercising game, JustBe.

My Pong (in regards your posts) is that I found your Pings to be quite relating/related to the Pings you were responding to and very insightfully suggestive of further considerations in said regards - and I enjoyed the 'light' they shared.

Running: also I think your comment about word-art just being a means of conveying suggestive idea-strokes, and not necessarily meant to present a complete picture of the reality being alluded to, applies in to all verbal communication.

I think it is up to the one(s) being pinged to 'find' truth in what is being presented and Pong-relate to that, not just one-(ego?)-sidedly reiterate an already stated idea/perception - that is if said person in wishes to engage in furthering the dialog, i.e. in dia-logic-al discussion.

your suggesting there is some thing to figure out. there is nothing in which i brought up a five year old couldn't understand. joy and silence are not complex topics. they just are what they are. over thinking it for any reason, in this case to form an argument is a waste of time in my view. your welcome to ping pong along. at some point prioritys for me will take over and i will be out.

the purpose of the thread and spelled out on the first post. was stating if more time was spent on meditstion and other tools that bring one into the space of bliss and silence much more progress would be made. my opinion.

instead more time is wasted on frivolous things and in wishing and wanting things to be our way. the only saving grace is grace itself. that is bliss and silence. we dont make it from mental strategys, debates, or philosophical thought . we only can become ooen to it and witness the experince. that is all. but with that through grace not from us everything becomes more joyful and at peace. simply because thats just what it is.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by running

your suggesting there is some thing to figure out. there is nothing in which i brought up a five year old couldn't understand. joy and silence are not complex topics. they just are what they are. over thinking it for any reason, in this case to form an argument is a waste of time in my view. your welcome to ping pong along. at some point prioritys for me will take over and i will be out.

the purpose of the thread and spelled out on the first post. was stating if more time was spent on meditstion and other tools that bring one into the space of bliss and silence much more progress would be made. my opinion.

instead more time is wasted on frivolous things and in wishing and wanting things to be our way. the only saving grace is grace itself. that is bliss and silence. we dont make it from mental strategys, debates, or philosophical thought . we only can become ooen to it and witness the experince. that is all. but with that through grace not from us everything becomes more joyful and at peace. simply because thats just what it is.

Q.E.D.

Your preference vis-a-vis type of 'engagement' is noted.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Your preference vis-a-vis type of 'engagement' is noted.

Running: it occurs to me that you might be happier (more blissful?) if you started a 'blog' and posted your views there instead of on a 'forum' - you could 'control' 'unwanted' response-expressions there.

Some here have managed to get moderators to ban people from the threads they started here though. Maybe that would work for you.

[jonesboy]

If you see all beings as masters, would there be no need of a guide but of reflection of itself aware and open to this nature in all beings as itself. To me this still depicts a state of separation or that the other is less than, not a piece of the whole as the whole is. The reflection radiates to all beings aware and open as such. For me its being in the world living this in all daily interactions. Not a place of separating out from the world through labels. When all labels and attachments fall away, there is nothing but the shared space between all moments in this way, you as you become sharing everywhere you are. Teacher/guide roles fall away. There is no one or anything to decide anything. The shared space becomes everything you willing to share of yourself as you move through life

In KS we are each One like Siva. The world is real and yet part of us.

A real master/guru is one who is one with it all and can directly help others by sharing that oneness.

Also, what are you sharing of yourself as you move through life?

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Running: it occurs to me that you might be happier (more blissful?) if you started a 'blog' and posted your views there instead of on a 'forum' - you could 'control' 'unwanted' response-expressions there.

Some here have managed to get moderators to ban people from the threads they started here though. Maybe that would work for you.

i could make things up or speak honesty. i have spoken honestly. you dont have to like or believe what i say. that part is up to you. i have been on here a decent amount of time. your welcome to ask anybody here including the mods if i have complained about any response on any thread at any time. you will find it to be none.

does that mean im willling to talk in circles about nothing? of course not. as i stated. priorities are for a reason. and if something takes time away from what is important. i will step away from it. that is just good business and how success happpens.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by running

i could make things up or speak honesty. i have spoken honestly. you dont have to like or believe what i say. that part is up to you. i have been on here a decent amount of time. your welcome to ask anybody here including the mods if i have complained about any response on any thread at any time. you will find it to be none.

does that mean im willling to talk in circles about nothing? of course not. as i stated. priorities are for a reason. and if something takes time away from what is important. i will step away from it. that is just good business and how success happpens.

Others have also spoken honestly. The way I see it, you are free to choose whether to engage in dial-log-ing with them or not.

[running]

Originally Posted by davidsun

The way I see it, you are free to choose whether to engage in dial-log-ing with them or not.

yeah. thas how it works.

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by running

like gravity bliss and silence does the magic. you can tbink of it as balance if that makes more sense to you. its tells more of the story using terms and descriptions that detail how it happens. otherwise its just philosophy. bliss is an actual thing that goes on as is silence. those two tbings once its past the coming and going in other words no lapses from it. effortlessly becomes the dominant part of ones expereince. you can call that balance if you wish.

What magic is it doing for you?

In my view the transcendent state is an inclusive way of living and being. The balance I speak of is a deep grounded peace with myself as I am, but I also see that part of this peace and my experience, is greater happiness and compassion, greater creativity and intelligence, better health, greater peace and balance in life, a more developed personality, warmer/connected relationships, and more success outside of myself reflecting all this into life itself. So for me there is no dominant aspect to the nature of what I experience as myself and life. The balance is the centred point of myself aware of myself as all this. The deeper I go into peace, I can dance in any or all of it as I choose, depending on what stream I open to dance in... At the core of myself I would say I am emptiness dancing, which has opened everything to dance as and in... To me its like being set free and liberated to walk any stream you have realized and awakened to know as your truth. The overall balance I speak of in all this is simply taking care of myself as I know I am.



How do you determine that bliss and silence will become the dominant part of ones experience if your not there experiencing it yet to know this?

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

We are definitely talking about different things.

You are talking about emotions and just going along with them. At the same time you want to talk about transcending ego but have really shared nothing of what that is like. Just inclusive of the lived experience of one is what I believe you have said.

If so you would understand the posts about energy, void and bliss. You would understand they are aspects of that One. Not just some ideas.

Thanks for the conversation.

I am not talking 'just' about emotions and going along with them.
I would have to give you my full life story of how I have transcended my own ego. It hasn't been through one path or teaching. It has been through many paths and life itself over 30 conscious years of dedication to self healing, self reflection and self realization. I feel clear in myself. I don't trap myself as needing to reside in just one state. My true self is open aware and allowing her potential to reveal itself naturally. There is no force, need or desire to make be what I am. There is nothing in my way, no obstructions that need energy and bliss to burn and balance. I have found my inner state of balance.

I am at peace with who I am. It is simple for me. Every realization has opened me to know my own potential beyond suffering. And at the core of myself is a balanced state of yin and yang/masculine/feminine, whatever you wish to call the ending of perceived separation and suffering. I understand about energy, void and bliss. I also as stated understand all those things I stated to running in my previous post. To me the whole is ongoing realizations within a whole stream of awareness aligned to the true self. I am living as my true self open and experiencing myself as the seeds of my own potential as this. Does that help you see what I am as a balanced being, just being myself and being?
I am not one thing, I can experiencing the full range of realizations I have opened, cleared and found clarity and pure awareness as. I am ongoing seeing the how the integrated nature of mind/body/spirit reflects naturally as it is awakened and reflecting aware. There is no one to do anything. The source of what is realized from the emptiness of itself, shines naturally as everything..