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Old 10-07-2017, 03:40 AM
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In the Amplified translation the meaning is provided in brackets after the mension of the beasts.

Daniel 1 gives background,Daniel 2 and 7 relates (God shows the kingdoms and times), Daniel 3 and 6 relates (God rescues the righteous), Daniel 4 and 5 relates (God humbles proud rulers). It's a style of wrighting. The body parts and the beasts are the same. It's already been fulfilled.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:24 AM
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In the Amplified translation the meaning is provided in brackets after the mension of the beasts.

Daniel 1 gives background,Daniel 2 and 7 relates (God shows the kingdoms and times), Daniel 3 and 6 relates (God rescues the righteous), Daniel 4 and 5 relates (God humbles proud rulers). It's a style of wrighting. The body parts and the beasts are the same. It's already been fulfilled.

Daniel 2, as Thomas Taylor assesses in the link in the opening post, Yessy, deals with an ancient image. Involving the King's dream, which Daniel had interpreted.

Daniel 7, involves the end times before the Lord's return.
Given to Daniel before He had yet appeared...
Who he describes prophetically, Yessy, in Daniel 7:13. Regarding the One Who's Visage is as, "the Son of Man".

The "little horn", has been seen to align with Paul's "man of lawlessness", and "son of perdition".
2 Thess. 2

Yessy? In Daniel 8:17 and 19, Gabriel speaks to Daniel of the end of days. What do you think?
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:39 PM
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In the News...
China has established the first international military base, in Africa.
Closer to the middle east.
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Daniel 2, as Thomas Taylor assesses in the link in the opening post, Yessy, deals with an ancient image. Involving the King's dream, which Daniel had interpreted.

Daniel 7, involves the end times before the Lord's return.
Given to Daniel before He had yet appeared...
Who he describes prophetically, Yessy, in Daniel 7:13. Regarding the One Who's Visage is as, "the Son of Man".

The "little horn", has been seen to align with Paul's "man of lawlessness", and "son of perdition".
2 Thess. 2

Yessy? In Daniel 8:17 and 19, Gabriel speaks to Daniel of the end of days. What do you think?

Yessy?

So, what do we read in Daniel 8:17, 19, and also?
In Daniel 8:26, as stated by the angel of God?

Daniel 8:26 -

"The vision of the the mornings and evenings which has been given you is true. But seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future."

Initially Yessy, your assertion about Daniels vision involving ancient Greece, and Persia, is correct.

However, we see how once again the ages of time are bypassed, are made irrelevant, and Daniel's prophesies extend to the end days on the planet.
Which we find ourselves in, today.

Now, what also has modern Physics since Einstein been telling us about the nature of, "space/time"?
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Old 19-07-2017, 05:56 PM
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Daniel 2, as Thomas Taylor assesses in the link in the opening post, Yessy, deals with an ancient image. Involving the King's dream, which Daniel had interpreted.

Daniel 7, involves the end times before the Lord's return.
Given to Daniel before He had yet appeared...
Who he describes prophetically, Yessy, in Daniel 7:13. Regarding the One Who's Visage is as, "the Son of Man".

The "little horn", has been seen to align with Paul's "man of lawlessness", and "son of perdition".
2 Thess. 2

Yessy? In Daniel 8:17 and 19, Gabriel speaks to Daniel of the end of days. What do you think?

Yessy?

So, what do we read in Daniel 8:17, 19, and also?
In Daniel 8:26, as stated by the angel of God?

Daniel 8:26 -

"The vision of the the mornings and evenings which has been given you is true. But seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future."

Initially Yessy, your assertion about Daniels vision involving ancient Greece, and Persia, is correct.

However, we see how once again the ages of time are bypassed, are made irrelevant, and Daniel's prophesies extend to the end days on the planet.
Which we find ourselves in, today.

Now, what also has modern Physics since Einstein been telling us about the nature of, "space/time"?
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Old 19-07-2017, 05:57 PM
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Daniel 2, as Thomas Taylor assesses in the link in the opening post, Yessy, deals with an ancient image. Involving the King's dream, which Daniel had interpreted.

Daniel 7, involves the end times before the Lord's return.
Given to Daniel before He had yet appeared...
Who he describes prophetically, Yessy, in Daniel 7:13. Regarding the One Who's Visage is as, "the Son of Man".

The "little horn", has been seen to align with Paul's "man of lawlessness", and "son of perdition".
2 Thess. 2

Yessy? In Daniel 8:17 and 19, Gabriel speaks to Daniel of the end of days. What do you think?

Yessy?

So, what do we read in Daniel 8:17, 19, and also?
In Daniel 8:26, as stated by the angel of God?

Daniel 8:26 -

"The vision of the the mornings and evenings which has been given you is true. But seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future."

Initially Yessy, your assertion about Daniel's vision involving ancient Greece, and Persia, is correct.

However, we see how once again the ages of time are bypassed, are made irrelevant, and Daniel's prophesies extend to the end days on the planet.
Which we find ourselves in, today.

Now, what also has modern Physics since Einstein been telling us about the nature of, "space/time"?

We see how here, as in Revelation also, ages of time are disregarded.

Daniel 8:17 -
" 'Son of man,' he said to me, 'understand the vision which concerns the time of the end.' " - Gabriel
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Yessy?

So, what do we read in Daniel 8:17, 19, and also?
In Daniel 8:26, as stated by the angel of God?

Daniel 8:26 -

"The vision of the the mornings and evenings which has been given you is true. But seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future."

Initially Yessy, your assertion about Daniels vision involving ancient Greece, and Persia, is correct.

However, we see how once again the ages of time are bypassed, are made irrelevant, and Daniel's prophesies extend to the end days on the planet.
Which we find ourselves in, today.

Now, what also has modern Physics since Einstein been telling us about the nature of, "space/time"?

No, we are not in the end times of the planet.
The end of the age of the first Covenant came 70 AD as was prophecied in Matthew 24.

We are however in a time where people have become so godless that judgement came in the form of darkness closing in. But that is not because it was prophecied, it is exactly because Christian believes the futurism lies propagated by the Zionist Khazarians promoting their own agenda of satanic world domination with the Jesuit General (black pope) ruling from a reconstructed temple in Jerusalem (which they even want the gullable Christians to fund)! The answer is for Christians to fight the good fight and to take their land, but they won't if they believe things are supposed to be as dark as it is.
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Old 20-07-2017, 02:47 PM
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Interesting perspective Yessy, illustrating the different viewpoints in the Faith.
However, I'm in disagreement.

Leads me to ask you of your perception of the Book of Revelation, also.
In which we observe various agreement and alignment with the Book of Daniel.

One important consideration, Yessy, is how human nature is "programmed" in certain manner, regarding our animal/mammal aspects.
History repeats itself through the ages. No?
Regarding behavioral patterns.

An interesting illustration in Daniel 9.
The "Goat", with one horn "coming from the west", who's feet don't touch the earth, while traversing it, enraged and decimating the Ram with two horns.
Which are generally accepted as being Media, and Persia...
Today, what countries are encompassed within the area of ancient Media, and Persia?

And, who might be seen as the Goat from the West?
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Old 21-07-2017, 02:47 PM
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"There is a natural divide at Daniel 11:36 because the vision makes a transition from the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, to the destruction of the world
during the, "great tribulation".

http://www.wakup.org/daniel-prophecy...the-north.html

This "great tribulation" period has been long prophesied, and long discussed.
Described in Daniel to be two, three and a half year periods; a total of seven years.

("Times, time, and half a time"... and then the citing of a certain amount of days.)

Which aligns also with that described in the Book of Revelation by the angel to the writer and revelator, John, written centuries later.

Jesus Himself, as read in the Gospels, cited Daniel's reference of, "the abomination of desolation", described in the prophesies, given to Daniel by the angel, in his vision.
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To be noted are certain words by the Angel to Daniel in his vision.

He tells Daniel in Chapter 10 that he will share with the prophet what is written in the "book of truth".
Then he states,
"No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince."
???

To whom is he referring? Who also is, "them"?

Here is a picture of activity and the reality beyond what is normally percieved by human perception, and senses.

Likewise, St. Paul in his letter to the church in Ephesus declares in chapter 6, vs.12 that,
"We fight not against flesh and blood, but against powers, principalities...
spiritual wickedness in high places."

Most are ignorant of the powers behind the authorities, and the events in the world.

Earlier in chapter 10, the Angel, presumably Gabriel, tells Daniel that he is greatly esteemed in the Heavenlies; That when Daniel first set himself to fast and pray for his people, that Gabriel was dispatched to him, but that for 21 days he had to contend with the, "Prince of the King of Persia", before he was aided by the Archangel Michael, in order that he could appear to Daniel.

Again, reference to powers and principalities behind what is visible.

No mortal could contend with an Archangel like this.
To delay an angel's mission.
However?
Try to convince the atheist of these things in this sin sodden world.
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