Jesus is not God

Originally Posted by supernova

You are wrong.
You never never never can say Jesus was better than the Buddha, nor can you say the Buddha was superior to Jesus or Mohammad was better than Jesus or Jesus was superior to Mohammad. This is against the faith of another person. It is a matte of interfaith.

I am a Hindu by birth and yet I do not say I am just a Hindu and can not claim Hindu Gods are superior to Jesus, the Buddha or Mohammad. This sacrilege

Yeah that idea completely misses the point of all the scriptures, Jesus never says anything about Buddha, Mohammed or Vishnu.
They do command that you follow God and God alone no other Gods.

There are many faiths, religions and all have their Gods, even there are pagans who too have their own Gods in many forms and shapes. You cannot say Jesus' ideas or what the Bible says is the only truth and the rest false.

There are not false Gods and false religions and false religions followers.

Pagans have many gods and so do Hindus have so many but that does not mean what Christianity is the one and only God

[Amilius777]

I usually go along with Yogananda and Yukteswar said that Jesus Christ and Babaji fully exemplified God more than anybody else in flesh, also due to the fact that they were "mahavatars", which means great incarnations. Incarnation of the Christ Consciousness, fully realized.

Where as Buddha who also attained Christ Consciousness, attained it in his life on earth. He is an ascended master, where as Jesus is an avatar. Gautama Buddha even differentiated a Buddha from a Bodhisattva and he was considered a Buddha. The other one is a soul who attained liberation in a previous lifetime but comes down to aid humanity.

Edgar Cayce said the same thing about Jesus in his trances as did Yogananda and Yukteswar that Jesus was an already perfected soul in previous lifetime, but descended again in human flesh to aid humanity towards Christ Consciousness.

And btw, BBR-

When I said Jesus the Christ, Christ is an office, or title of one embodying the Christ Consciousness. I never said it was limited to just Jesus. The Christ also came through Saint Anthony, Saint Theresa, and Saint Francis to rejuvenate Christianity and revive it's meaning. Same in India that the title of Christ was past down to Mahavatar Babaji who has taught many yogis to connect Christianity with Hinduism for a middle way. The Christ Spirit has been passed down through the ages.

As Edgar Cayce once said- "Christ is NOT a man! Jesus was the man! Christ the messenger, Christ in all ages! One in Adam, in Melchizedek, in Joshua, in Joseph, in Moses, in Jesus the Christ!"

[DivineLove]

Originally Posted by Amilius777

I usually go along with Yogananda and Yukteswar said that Jesus Christ and Babaji fully exemplified God more than anybody else in flesh, also due to the fact that they were "mahavatars", which means great incarnations. Incarnation of the Christ Consciousness, fully realized.

Where as Buddha who also attained Christ Consciousness, attained it in his life on earth. He is an ascended master, where as Jesus is an avatar. Guatma Buddha even differentiated a Buddha from a Boddissivita (spell check) and he was considered a Buddha. The other one is a soul who attained liberation in a previous lifetime but comes down to aid humanity.

Edgar Cayce said the same thing about Jesus in his trances as did Yogananda and Yukteswar that Jesus was an already perfected soul in previous lifetime, but descended again in human flesh to aid humanity towards Christ Consciousness.

And btw, BBR-

When I said Jesus the Christ, Christ is an office, or title of one embodying the Christ Consciousness. I never said it was limited to just Jesus. The Christ also came through Saint Anthony, Saint Theresa, and Saint Francis to rejuvenate Christianity and revive it's meaning. Same in India that the title of Christ was past down to Mahavatar Babaji who has taught many yogis to connect Christianity with Hinduism for a middle way. The Christ Spirit has been passed down through the ages.

As Edgar Cayce once said- "Christ is NOT a man! Jesus was the man! Christ the messenger, Christ in all ages! One in Adam, in Melchizedek, in Joshua, in Joseph, in Moses, in Jesus the Christ!"

That is the correct understanding.

That Jesus is the man.

And Christ is the Divine Principle. God's Divine Love, filling the soul, making it a Divine Soul, making it at-one with the Father.

Jesus, was the first Christ.

Amilius, when you mention Moses, this is not correct.

Prior to Jesus, there were spiritual men, and men who played important roles in bringing certain truths.

But Jesus, was the first of his kind.

The first human being, to have become the Christ, while still in the flesh.

His knowledge of our God, and his teachings, which show us the way to God's Divine Love, these separate him, as the true son of God.

While all of us are children of God, none of us, no Babaji, no Buddha, no other living soul, has as much knowledge of our God, as Jesus does.

If you want to understand the Self. And all the natural fruits that a natural practice bring, follow Eastern ways. You will have a great understanding of the Self. And this will be the full extent of your knowledge.

If you want Eternal Life, if you want to be at-one with God, then follow Jesus's teachings, for they truly point the way to God's Divine Love, and to the Highest Heavens.

If you are unable to discern any difference between the son of God, and the rest of the teachers, that have come and gone.
Then most likely, you are practicing, one of these natural paths.

The path to God, is not a natural path. It is a Divine Path.

God is a Divine Being.

He shares His Divine Substance, with any of his children.
Regardless of race, creed, gender.
God gives and shares His Divine Love, with all.

But His Divine Substance, must be obtained through soulful prayer.

And it must be earned.

It is not lying there, dormant, inside of you, waiting for you to realize something.

There is not a single drop, as Jesus teaches in these books, of Divinity, anywhere, except within God.

And His Eternal Substance, His Divine Love, must be sought for, through earnest sincere prayer. Which is always answered.

It is not a "consciousness". It is not derived from some form of meditation.

Prayer is time spent, between your soul, and God, communing, being at-one.

There is no substitute nor replacement for this process.

And if you seek Eternal Life, God's Divine Substance, closely examine the teachings of Jesus, for he makes it very clear, and outlines the differences between natural practices, and this Divine Path. Which can only be obtained through your soul.

You cannot bypass God, in your quest for Eternal Life.

Christ is not a "consciousness", it is a living process, where the substance of your natural soul, is slowly replaced, by God's Divine Substance, thus making your soul divine, and capable of existing in the Highest Heavens.

Jesus became Divine, not by realizing the Self, as so many people here seem to conclude, but by communing with God, through prayer. This is what he underwent, and this is what he teaches.

Self-Realization, is not the same thing as Christ.

Self-Realization, anyone can obtain, without much effort.

God's Divine Love, is sought, is earned, through sincere prayer. And is felt, by the changes in your soul condition, which affect every aspect of your life.

Rest assured, that if sitting in lotus, and chanting "om" for hours on end, brought you closer to God, that Jesus would surely have taught us these things.

But he did not.

Because mantras and lotus positions, and mediation, are not on the level of soul.

Christ, takes places at the level of soul.

Your deepest part of you.

Deeper than your heart.

Deeper than your "consciousness."

There are MANY natural paths.

Only one Divine Path.

God does not withhold his Divine Love, so if there are people in the world, who reach out to God, without any knowledge of Jesus's teachings, they would receive His Divine Love regardless.

For the rest of us, who do have the benefit of a lot of technology, and resources, look for the teacher, that has the most knowledge of God.

He is the one to follow.

Buddha had no knowledge of God.
And his teachings will guide you to the Self. Great if you attain to this level.
But not a single step further, will you take, along this natural path. This is all that is promised, and this is all that you get, Self-Realization.

Jesus, to date, has the most knowledge of our God, and how our Holy Father shares His Divine Love, His Divine Substance.

Whether you're looking at the Bible, or these teachings Jesus gives through Mr. Padgett, it's the same author. Leading you towards the greatest path, the Divine Path.

Try to see the distinction, and do not lump all the teachers into one category, if you are unable to discern the differences.

Apples are not oranges.
1000 Buddha's do not equal to one Christ.
Self is knowledge of nothing. Pure Awareness, emptiness. Nothingness.
Christ, is at-one-ment, with our God.
The Highest privilege.

If you do not understand this, then the fruits have not as yet ripened.
But they will.

God's Love and Blessings to All!

I am simple in my thinking. I think Jesus was god, Buddhas were gods, we are gods and goddesses, everything that I see and cannot see is purely of god. The only difference is how aware are we of our divinity, our god self.

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by GoldenBoy72

Yeah that idea completely misses the point of all the scriptures, Jesus never says anything about Bhuddha, Mohammed or Vishnu. They do command that you follow God and God alone no other Gods.

But the God that you believe in, is another God, its your God, the God of your scriptures, you are claiming that your God is the only God, can you see that ?.

[Amilius777]

If you refer to God, and think of the human body your soul is seated in between your eyes, within the brain. You are "centered" in the head, but you are conscious of all parts of the body through the spinal cord and the nervous system that connects everything;

God Himself is beyond the body, The FATHER is outside the body, above the head, the "seventh chakra". But within the head/brain this is

The SON centered within the head, he is conscious within all of the body, his consciousness dwells in all aspects of the body/creation.

And souls are like the cells in the body operate to keep the body clean, free of illness, rejuvenated, and co-creating with the Brain and all aspects of the body trying to stay connected with THE FATHER (the spirit above the head)

But through the weakness of cells, virus (sin) enters and kills cells. Jesus was the vaccine/antibiotic sent into the body through the Father's will, by the operation of the SON injecting itself. The vaccine/antibiotic - Jesus entered and took on the virus (sin) and destroyed it within itself. And this started a chain reaction started by the antibiotic/vaccine that gets the cells rejuvenated and energized to destroy the virus until finally the virus is all gone and cells are restored and everything is connected back to the Father, all operating as the SON (body).

So techincally the Son of God dwells within every individualized soul/cell, but all of them were sick/with error, and Jesus was the soul who purely manifested the Son within to rejuvenate us.

[DivineLove]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

But the God that you believe in, is another God, its your God, the God of your scriptures, you are claiming that your God is the only God, can you see that ?.

How many Gods do you think there are?

There are so many cultures who believe in multiple gods. These are all fictional.

The Hindu gods. The Greek gods of Olympus. Fairy Tales.

The God that Jesus is referring to, as the Father. This is the one and only God.

His teachings, in this book, explain the different spirit realms, and our soul's relationship to the Supreme Creator, the Heavenly Father.

Jesus was a true authority on spiritual matters, 2000 years ago. Hence the creation of an entirely new religion. And this same authority is displayed, on matters SPIRITUAL. From the different spirit realms, to our souls, to God's Attributes. In these books, which were published in the 1920's.

I prefer these books, over the bible, because in these books, Jesus explains aspects of the bible, that were very unclear to me.
In these books, Jesus and the other Celestial Spirits, explain the afterlife, the soul, the natural realms, the Celestial Heavens, soul mates. God.

These are very deep subjects.

For the best answers, the most accurate answers. It is best to turn to the most advanced spirits.

Jesus, and the Celestial Spirits, occupy the Highest Heavens, in God's Kingdom.

They explain spirituality, in ways that the human being, simply can't.

The human being, is at the starting point, of the soul's journey. Our knowledge of spiritual things, is very muddled.

For anyone who wants to hear Truth being taught by High Spirits, on all aspects of spirituality. For the most fundamental and profound questions. This book provides answers, that no other human author can possibly provide.

That has been my experience.

God's Love and Blessings to All!

[Shabda]

im sorry, but you have no evidence to claim that as an absolute fact, it is your opinion, and you are welcome to have it, but Jesus was far from the highest of spiritual beings, and thats just the simple truth, he was a fine person, and a fine example, but far from a complete one, his teachings simply do not include all the necessary training to reach the very top...this is my opinion, but i have experience to go with it...the Way cannot be found in ANY book, not even one by Mr.Padgett that merely claims to be from Jesus...the best way to be taught by Jesus would be to go within and meet with him on an individual basis...a great many books have been written by psychics and mediums, claiming to be messages from Jesus or any other spiritual figure, but the author's claims are hardly proof of anything at all, they are just claims, just as this has been...

[DivineLove]

Originally Posted by Amilius777

If you refer to God, and think of the human body your soul is seated in between your eyes, within the brain. You are "centered" in the head, but you are conscious of all parts of the body through the spinal cord and the nervous system that connects everything;

God Himself is beyond the body, The FATHER is outside the body, above the head, the "seventh chakra". But within the head/brain this is

The SON centered within the head, he is conscious within all of the body, his consciousness dwells in all aspects of the body/creation.

And souls are like the cells in the body operate to keep the body clean, free of illness, rejuvenated, and co-creating with the Brain and all aspects of the body trying to stay connected with THE FATHER (the spirit above the head)

But through the weakness of cells, virus (sin) enters and kills cells. Jesus was the vaccine/antibiotic sent into the body through the Father's will, by the operation of the SON injecting itself. The vaccine/antibiotic - Jesus entered and took on the virus (sin) and destroyed it within itself. And this started a chain reaction started by the antibiotic/vaccine that gets the cells rejuvenated and energized to destroy the virus until finally the virus is all gone and cells are restored and everything is connected back to the Father, all operating as the SON (body).

So techincally the Son of God dwells within every individualized soul/cell, but all of them were sick/with error, and Jesus was the soul who purely manifested the Son within to rejuvenate us.

Amilius.

Your approach to spirituality, is very muddled.

You scope out a bunch of authors.

Human authors.

Who happen to occupy the same plane of existence as you do.

And then from them, you expect to find High Truths, on spiritual matters.

But what you get, are very human interpretations of spiritual things.

You are not getting the spirits point of view.



My approach is rather different now.

Since I have encountered teachings by spirits from much Higher Planes, it has made everything human, seem very inaccurate.

Much like your responses, which are a mish-mash of popular postulates put forward by human authors whom you only partially trust, as you only takes bits of each, and then try to reform them into some kind of working theory.

When I read your responses, it all sounds like new age fluffy stuff.
Concept on top of concept, all very human. All very incorrect.

One day, you may realize, that on spiritual matters, it is best to turn to actual Spirits. High Spirits. Like Jesus. Like the Celestial Spirits. Who actually know what they are talking about.

Not human beings, who in comparison, lack data. Lack experience. Lack the insight that High Spirits like Jesus has.
We simply do not exist where they do. And they are further along in their soul development.

I am not sure why you would be compelled to absorb yogananda's teachings, over Jesus's.

Perhaps one day, when you see that these human beings, occupying the same plane that you exist in, are not at all qualified, to give accurate answers on spiritual matters.
Perhaps then, you will turn to the Highest Source.

I have never read anything Higher, than what Jesus teaches in these books.

If you want to take your spiritual food, from souls that are on the same plane as you. Go right ahead.

I no longer subscribe to human wisdom, on spiritual matters. Human beings are good for knowledge of things on this plane. Technology. Economics. Finance.
Even religion, is run efficiently, like a machine.

I have never trusted human beings, nor the church. And after what I have read in these books, it shows just how little human beings actually know, about anything substantial, when it comes to spirituality.

I am not sure, when you will awaken to this realization.

That for Truth, you must seek Higher Spirits, more developed souls.

Not the ones, that are here with you, on the same plane.

When will that "click" for you? I wonder?

If I need my plumbing fixed, I call a plumber. I don't open my book on Advaita Vedanta.
And for spiritual things, I do not "call" human beings to this task any more.
They are not qualified.

But I have read the same material you have read. And while to me, this disparity, this obvious chasm between what humans think they know, and what spirits know, is HUGE.

It's so large, that I don't listen to human beings at all, on these deeper spiritual Truths.

But you have read the same material, and still wish to take your spiritual food from the people who occupy the very plane you're on.

What can I say to you?

You are free to believe and practice whatever you choose.

If you cannot sense the Highest Source, in that which you have read. There is little that I can say, which will help you to see it.

Spirituality, is best taught, by High Spirits.

This is a firm Truth.