Jesus is not God

[Maisy]

I prayed to Saint Jude (said to be the brother of Jesus in the bible) once for a miracle as a 6th grader and the next day the miracle happened. But I don't know as an adult now what force or being actually caused the miracle.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Maisy

I prayed to Saint Jude (said to be the brother of Jesus in the bible) once for a miracle as a 6th grader and the next day the miracle happened. But I don't know as an adult now what force or being actually caused the miracle.

That is so sweet to hear. :)

I bet in your mind, tho...you didn't instantly think St. Jude was ''God''.
That type of thinking does not make sense ....to 'me', anyway.

Just as an FYI, to non Catholics ...for The Church to name someone a Saint ...1-2 'miracles'
have to be established...you know, when you have prayed to just them.
But who knows anymore!
Because ''The process of canonization has undergone continuous revisions throughout history.''
So I am not up on the latest!
This Pope, Francis, (since 2013), has canonized 911 people as Saints!!! Meaning you could pray to them
for miracles...for intervention. In the past each would have had to have influenced THREE miracles!

Thinking of it now ...
it kind of presumes that person would always be on 'the Other Side' to be prayed to ...rather than being reincarnated.
Interesting thinking...*scratching head*.

Might be of interest - Pope Francis changed some things regarding being declared a Saint, ha!
https://dornsife.usc.edu/news/stories/what-is-a-miracle/

Also, of interest: you could pray to 3 of the last Popes for miracles!
Now 'Saints': John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II.
This is just interesting stuff about Catholicism.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Just as an FYI, to non Catholics ...for The Church to name someone a Saint ...2 'miracles'
However: ''The process of canonization has undergone continuous revisions throughout history.''

It certainly has been revised, when my Ancestor was canonised in 1970 John went from Blessed John to Saint John regardless of any known miracles being attributed to Him....
Apparently if the Pope makes a declaration of Martyrdom the Martyr can be canonized, as the Catholic Church teaches that all Martyrs go to Heaven, and being in Heaven is the definition of a Saint.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by sky

Apparently if the Pope makes a declaration of Martyrdom the Martyr can be canonized, as the Catholic Church teaches that
all Martyrs go to Heaven, and being in Heaven is the definition of a Saint.

Fascinating!

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I bet in your mind, tho...you didn't instantly think St. Jude was ''God''.

My thoughts actually went in the opposite direction lol. In my opinion it was a "spirit guide" which to me is basically a soul slightly more evolved than us who are still incarnating. I know most will not agree with my opinions, and think differently, but me myself don't believe souls above the "spirit guide" level have anything to do with us here on earth. To me, it's a bit like thinking someone like the English theoretical physicist, Stephen William Hawking, would spend his time and life teaching or helping kindergarteners with astrophysics.

But I'm not saying I believe we cannot connect with our true source, or "God" in a lot of different ways and to be influenced and changed in profound ways by those experiences and connections. To me, we are always connected to "God" in the deepest way possible as I believe it is the source of conscious awareness itself. Like a drop in the ocean has all the aspects of the entire ocean in itself. While a drop can become aware of itself to envision or be aware of the totality of the whole is impossible but the drop can drop it's "edge" or self in my view and thus expand it's awareness deeper into what is the "ocean" to push the metaphor some more. But dropping the "edge" of the drop or self is to me seeing or becoming more of what we are as being a "separate" drop is an illusion. We are ocean, individual "atoms" within the whole that are not manifesting or experiencing fully the aspects of the whole as we are "contaminated" by identification as separate.

[Miss Hepburn]

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Originally Posted by Maisy

...But I'm not saying I believe we cannot connect with our true source, or "God" in a lot of different ways and to be influenced and changed in profound ways by those experiences and connections. To me, we are always connected to "God" in the deepest way possible as I believe it is the source of conscious awareness itself.

I know...you're pretty cool in my opinion.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

it kind of presumes that person would always be on 'the Other Side' to be prayed to ...rather than being reincarnated.
Interesting thinking...*scratching head*.

Imagine reaching the highest levels of spirituality possible and spending one's "eternity" or time following a human around that is looking for their glasses that are already sitting on their head. Then they pray that their sports team wins because they placed a large money bet on the game. Seems like it would be a punishment of some kind to me.

I think a lot of religion deals with the ideas of rising to a level of not entering a human body anymore or just being a loving kind unselfish person. Going to Heaven, reaching that level, in Christianity. I don't think humans can imagine much more than that. But to me that is like graduating Kindergarten and reaching first grade. But then we can't even imagine what lies above that as far as what is possible. But a First Grader can't imagine what one does as an Biomedical Engineer either.

It reminds me of that last scene in the movie "Defending Your Life" where Albert Brooks character is slotted to return to earth and Meryl Streep's character is moving "up" and Brooks manages to be allowed to get on Streep's bus at the end. To move up a step or level on an infinite staircase.

https://youtu.be/wdS1l__SWms

[Honza]

IMO nobody is God....we are all just facets. God is too big and mysterious for anybody to be all of Him. Besides He loves His freedom too much to be told who He is by any personification.

[Miss Hepburn]

I recommend everyone watch "Defending Your Life", btw....while I'm at it...
''Being There'', also. Both are comedies with wisdom.

[Miss Hepburn]

Ok. This is serious: :)

You know how I got a bit off topic after the St Jude post ?
I got into the Popes decreeing Catholic people were Saints? Post 1152.
Well, I was surfing around cuz of that...I came across Mother Theresa of Calcutta.
(Did you know she left her family at 18, became a Nun in Ireland!)

Now, I didn't know she had been decreed a Saint! It seems 2 people prayed to her after her death and Bingo...over night they were healed...
of BIG HUGE life threatening stuff. (Sorry, one was a Nun with Parkinson's only.)
The MD's ALL said - there is NO medical reason for this - so now she is a "Saint". OK. Pope Benedict, I think said so. OK.

Short version for 5 months my knee has hurt a bit after a fall...this month I was gonna get a referral to somebody to get an X-ray.
I test it everyday to see if this movement causes a twinge....it always does.

So at 4 am ...I decide, Fine. And I talk to Mother Theresa - like a friend, as I do to anyone, even God Himself.
I dozed off again for 2 hours.

It's 11 am now I just tested my knee -NO twinge of any kind.
FIVE months there's been that twinge/pain.

Thank you Mother Theresa...I'm sure she rolls her eyes that people would call her a saint...I mentioned that to her.
I don't believe in my whole life I EVER talked to, prayed to anyone, but God the Father, Creator of All That IS.

Again, thank you Mother Theresa. :)
I also mentioned to her I would like to donate to the work she started...after reading all that they do there!!!
https://www.motherteresacharities.org/donations.php