Mystery of Golgotha

[Baile]

Originally Posted by ellespirit

It does beg the question though, how did John the Baptist have the cosmic force to transfer to Jesus?

There is a whole Steiner topic on that. I'm not familiar with it, it had to do with Mary and Elizabeth being cousins, and Jesus and John meeting as children. So some karmic spirit connection there right from the beginning. The dove descended down upon Jesus, John was the witness, I don't think it was more than that as far as John goes. A wedding with the priest overseeing perhaps.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Busby

But it was exactly his repeated 'returns' to the subject of Golgatha which put me off in the end. Sorry, but I do think he dragged this out of the depths of his subconscious to prove a point which was never really visible and seemed to me not to fit into his 'philosophies'. A sort of pandering to Christianity in my view.

His take on the Christ Jesus mystery (as its called in those circles) was one of few a-little-too-Christian-for-me teachings I connected with. Jesus as human being not God... definitely got that part correct. Earth and humanity in the process of spiritualization: ascending to a higher Spirit state; evolving away from and disconnecting from the mundane physical... I see that in the world around me. It's one explanation for why human consciousness has evolved at such a miraculous and ever-increasing speed over the past two millennia: sped up in the Renaissance for instance, then quadrupled in speed again in the Industrial Age, and has since vigintidrupled (x20, my word-invention!) again within the past 30 years.

Or it could be alien technology, I know that's a popular take.

Me, I tend to go with what fits the human-consciousness-evolves wisdom model. I just have to review my own life to see how true that is.

[ellespirit]

Of course Baile at the end of the day each person’s journey is their own. We all have our own path and I suppose ultimately we need to find our own way there.
I persevere !!! I am always interested in others views we can only learn from them.

Hugs
Elle

Originally Posted by Baile

His take on the Christ Jesus mystery (as its called in those circles) was one of few a-little-too-Christian-for-me teachings I connected with. Jesus as human being not God... definitely got that part correct. Earth and humanity in the process of spiritualization: ascending to a higher Spirit state; evolving away from and disconnecting from the mundane physical... I see that in the world around me. It's one explanation for why human consciousness has evolved at such a miraculous and ever-increasing speed over the past two millennia: sped up in the Renaissance for instance, then quadrupled in speed again in the Industrial Age, and has since vigintidrupled (x20, my word-invention!) again within the past 30 years.

Or it could be alien technology, I know that's a popular take.

Me, I tend to go with what fits the human-consciousness-evolves wisdom model. I just have to review my own life to see how true that is.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by ellespirit

Of course Baile at the end of the day each person’s journey is their own. I persevere !!! I am always interested in others views we can only learn from them.

Hugs
Elle

Thanks ellespirit. Sure, most thread topics on this site have to do with sharing personal views and opinions. Which is different from this topic: examining the esoteric content of Steiner's lecture and exploring what it is he is speaking to. You might be interested in reading up on Goethean conversation. In AnthroP circles, it's the spiritual-sharing activity of consciously constructing a dialogue together.

[r6r6]

Originally Posted by ellespirit

I am always interested in others views we can only learn from them.

1} spirit-1, spirit-of-intent via metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept,

2} spirit-2, physical/energy via fermions bosons and any aggregate collections thereof ex biologicals, planets, stars, water,

3} spirit-3, metaphysical-3 gravity ( ) aka positive shaped geodesic space,

4} spirit-4, metaphysical-4, dark energy )( aka negative shaped geodesic space.

SPACE (>*<) i (>*<) SPACE

* * is bilateral consciousness


i is ego/self ergo the I-verse narrative we tell ourselves about our ourselves and the environment we live within


>< is the inversions from peak of gravity ( ) and dark energy )( curvature and result in our Observed TIME reality and specifically a sine-wave patterned /\/\/ frequency ^v^v of events that are specific triangular set of 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15 etc.


Our highest and most comprehensive spirit-of-intent are as follows;


1a} personal sustainability of self, family, humanity integrity and ultimately of integrity of Universe/God aka Uni-V-erse,


2a) deriving absolute and relative truths --in order of priority--- via harvesting, sorting and hopefully discovery of those patterns of information bits, that will lead us to 3a as follows,

3a} using those discoveries to further #1a above.

To be clear, I believe gravity ( ) and dark energy )( exist at ultra-micro scales of existence and that is why they have not been quantised nor quantified by humans to date.

Humans believe gravity ( ) exist because we observe mass-attraction and that is a mystery that humans believe is an occupied space force.

At ultra-macro scales of existence we observe Universe accelerating in its expansion and humans believe an occupied space repulsive force is responsible for those observations and they give it a name/lablel/indentity of dark energy )(.


Moral integrity ergo spiritual teachings and any practice thereof ---sometimes associated with a religion title--- is what humans invent to help them make it through their every day lives with a sense of order.


Hatha yoga was one of my earliest ventures into self-integrity ergo self-health practice and the number one practice was breath. The IN-spiriting of oxygen. No oxygen no life. And the OUT-spiriting of carbon dioxide.


The 2nd practice I came to understand was that biological life is 80% or more water. My first cousin is always saying God is water.

My earliest spiritual teachings beyond self came from a religous cult my attempted to follow and that was Mary Baker Eddy's Christian Science.


To be clear, all Bible based religions are cults, but they all share some good moral/spiritual teachings.


Actually come to think of it, at same time I got Christian Science from mother I was getting moral of the story teachings from Rocky and Bullwinkle program that had Aseop Fable episodes.


Aseop Fables > Christian Science > Scientific Observations > Hatha Yoga > Wholistic Geometric Patterns of Observation > "U "niverse/"G "od

SPACE (>*<) i (>*<) SPACE


Universe is everything including me
Environment is everything excluding me
R. Buckminster Fuller


SPACE (>*<) i (>*<) SPACE


A Cosmic Trinity
Spirit-1 > metaphysical-1
Metaphysical-2 > non-occupied SPACE
Spirit-2, 3 and 4 occupied space


SPACE (>*<) i (>*<) SPACE


Pulling-IN { IN-spiration }
Pushing OUT{ OUT-spiration }

Orbiting{ around-we-go }
Steer-ability{ * i * }


SPACE (>*<) i (>*<) SPACE

[Shivani Devi]

I wasn't going to post on this thread, seeing as how I know little to nothing about it, but that didn't stop the previous poster, so here goes nothing.

Golgotha is called "The Place Of The Skull" and this is where "The Christ" was "Crucified".

Now, in the esoteric traditions, The Christ is referred to as the "Anointed One" and this is in reference to the "Chrism" or the fluid secreted by the Pineal Gland (as Jacob said in Genesis 32:30):

"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life has been spared."

The esoteric teachings hold that the crucifixion of Christ is in reference to the secretion of Cerebral Spinal Fluid (CFS) inside the Place of the Skull (Golgotha) at the abode of Peniel (Pineal Gland) and the transition of this fluid down the spine (the ladder of 33 steps - which is also the age of Jesus corresponding to the 33 vertebrae) takes three days - which also corresponds to the resurrection...and this is all I know about it.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I wasn't going to post on this thread, seeing as how I know little to nothing about it, but that didn't stop the previous poster, so here goes nothing.

Golgotha is called "The Place Of The Skull" and this is where "The Christ" was "Crucified".

Now, in the esoteric traditions, The Christ is referred to as the "Anointed One" and this is in reference to the "Chrism" or the fluid secreted by the Pineal Gland (as Jacob said in Genesis 32:30):

"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life has been spared."

The esoteric teachings hold that the crucifixion of Christ is in reference to the secretion of Cerebral Spinal Fluid (CSF) inside the Place of the Skull (Golgotha) at the abode of Peniel (Pineal Gland) and the transition of this fluid down the spine (the ladder of 33 steps - which is also the age of Jesus corresponding to the 33 vertebrae) takes three days - which also corresponds to the resurrection...and this is all I know about it.

You didn't mention that that would be where the ego would disappear.
Westerners don't know there is an actual oil in the brain secreted during these Holy events of Divine Transcendence.....

That verse is quoted by me more than any other...I like the version: 'and yet I lived', (survived, in some) , also, Penuel in some versions.
2nd verse I quote a lot, related to this, Luke 36?,KJV...''If thine eye be single thy whole body will be full of light.''
So no, we don't see God with our 2 eyes...but with our one spiritual Inner Eye.
It is said by some Jesus left the building when the entire Crucifixion event happened.
It is in our skull that we see God, btw.
I'm thinking Rudolph Steiner knew all this.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

You didn't mention that that would be where the ego would disappear.
Westerners don't know there is an actual oil in the brain secreted during these Holy events of Divine Transcendence.....

That verse is quoted by me more than any other...I like the version: 'and yet I lived', (survived, in some) , also, Penuel in some versions.
2nd verse I quote a lot, related to this, Luke 36?,KJV...''If thine eye be single thy whole body will be full of light.''
So no, we don't see God with our 2 eyes...but with our one spiritual Inner Eye.
It is said by some Jesus left the building when the entire Crucifixion event happened.
It is in our skull that we see God, btw.

I'm thinking Rudolph Steiner knew all this.

I'm sorry. The ego was totally forgotten about when that was being written. I have my moments.

I am also thinking that Rudolph Steiner knew all this as well.

Here it is in image form:

[ellespirit]

Amazing interconnectedness

[ellespirit]

Wow thank you ! What a rich thread of concepts and ideas. Still,processing and taking it all in. Great insights.