Return to the Heart

[Thinker108]

. Returning to the heart is returning to the self. The viewer cannot be viewed.

Greetings..

Originally Posted by Humm

Interesting about gravity. It's funny, because when I feel most in my heart, gravity is absent - there is only freedom, and openness.

Seriously.

Will you please describe what you mean when you use the term 'heart'?.. Thanks.. I experience "only freedom and openness", too.. it is when i let go of conceptual attachments, like "poetic gestures" (thanks, Gem.. a nicely descriptive phrase).. i experience 'freedom and openness' when i am not attached to an ideology that i must pass-off as valid, and when i am free to simply pay attention to what is 'happening'.. without getting tangled-up in what i 'think' is happening..

Be well..

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Humm

Interesting about gravity. It's funny, because when I feel most in my heart, gravity is absent - there is only freedom, and openness.

Seriously.

Only freedom and openess... very nice... but 'when' indicates the impermanance of this condition and is contradictory to 'only'.

Oh this feeling is such a pleasure I would hold it near in every moment, if only it weren't so fleeting.

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

...will you please describe what you mean when you use the term 'heart'?.. Thanks..

That is a rather difficult thing to 'describe' being a place and a feeling somewhat beyond words. I could call it my center of 'Beeling' but I doubt you would be satisfied with that, given your preference against 'poetic gestures'. On second thought, call it a 'descriptive phrase' - that's my description.

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

I experience "only freedom and openness", too.. it is when i let go of conceptual attachments, like "poetic gestures" (thanks, Gem.. a nicely descriptive phrase).. i experience 'freedom and openness' when i am not attached to an ideology that i must pass-off as valid, and when i am free to simply pay attention to what is 'happening'.. without getting tangled-up in what i 'think' is happening...

Yes - that is what I call a 'starting point'. Of course there is not much point in trying to describe to you what happens next, as that would just be 'trying to pass off an ideology as valid' and 'getting tangled-up in what i 'think' is happening' - don't you think?

Originally Posted by Gem

Only freedom and openess... very nice... but 'when' indicates the impermanance of this condition and is contradictory to 'only'.

Oh this feeling is such a pleasure I would hold it near in every moment, if only it weren't so fleeting.

When I am in San Francisco I have a wonderful time - but it's just as they say: Great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

So does that mean I should never go again, because if I go I know I'll just be coming back?

Perhaps it is better to go nowhere and do nothing - gotta love that false sense of stability....

Greetings..

Originally Posted by Humm

That is a rather difficult thing to 'describe' being a place and a feeling somewhat beyond words. I could call it my center of 'Beeling' but I doubt you would be satisfied with that, given your preference against 'poetic gestures'. On second thought, call it a 'descriptive phrase' - that's my description.



Yes - that is what I call a 'starting point'. Of course there is not much point in trying to describe to you what happens next, as that would just be 'trying to pass off an ideology as valid' and 'getting tangled-up in what i 'think' is happening' - don't you think?

There's hope for you, yet.. Precisely!! 'it' just happens, and what we "think" about it is after the fact, and .. it is a distraction to what 'is' happening while we're 'thinking' about what 'was' happening..

Unnecessary 'thinking' shows up when people 'think' of phrases that are "a rather difficult thing to 'describe' "..

Unnecessary 'thinking' shows up when people 'think' of phrases and quotes that abstract and distract what is 'self-evident'..

Unnecessary 'thinking' shows up when people 'think' of ways to present what is actually very simple, in ways that are difficult to describe, or as 'poetic gestures'.. this is the way of religions, mystics and gurus, shrouding simplicity with 'unnecessary thinking'..

Be well..

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

...There's hope for you, yet.. Precisely!! 'it' just happens, and what we "think" about it is after the fact, and .. it is a distraction to what 'is' happening while we're 'thinking' about what 'was' happening..

Unnecessary 'thinking' shows up when people 'think' of phrases that are "a rather difficult thing to 'describe' "..

Unnecessary 'thinking' shows up when people 'think' of phrases and quotes that abstract and distract what is 'self-evident'..

Unnecessary 'thinking' shows up when people 'think' of ways to present what is actually very simple, in ways that are difficult to describe, or as 'poetic gestures'.. this is the way of religions, mystics and gurus, shrouding simplicity with 'unnecessary thinking'...

You think so?

Greetings..

Originally Posted by Humm

You think so?

I simply acknowledge what 'is'..

Be well..

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Humm

When I am in San Francisco I have a wonderful time - but it's just as they say: Great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

So does that mean I should never go again, because if I go I know I'll just be coming back?

Perhaps it is better to go nowhere and do nothing - gotta love that false sense of stability....

Even 'Fisco has Alcatraz, so love is very easy when rose petals fall from the sky, but daily life shows the array of human feelings, of which love is but one jewel, and should one dare express other than divine perfection would not there be be judgement upon his spiritual deficiency?

The clamour surrounds the fallen one who screams despair, while another endures silent sufference completely unoticed, and is found in a small apartment years after their death, where upon people wonder who this person was... but had indifference during their life.

Then, reflecting on such things I happen upon the shallow cliche where people parade their abundant endowment vainly, as one would wave money in the face of the impoverished, however, the one who died unoticed was so quiet they made no impression at all.

The poem pleases my sentiments, but does not distract me, because frisco is a cheap trip such verses take me on, and I enjoy myself floating there, until from the golden gate, Alcatraz serves my morbid facination for the inhumane.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


I do not have any such experience, Xan.. "Heart" and i are one, i cannot return to where i never departed.. i do not distinguish a difference between 'heart' and mind, i sense that level of conceptualization as diversions from clarity, a degree of separation from what 'is'..

Be well..

Diversions for who?

I suggest that if it is a diversion to you, then you just let it pass and move on.

That would promote unity and in unity is there found clarity.

Has this really come down to a war on POV's?

If so, good! Let's use that and see that we all have them and in that we are very much alike. And in that, may the walls of seperateness crumble.
Blessings, James