That Unchanging thing

[Xan]

Dulce: ...anytime I think I have found The Unchanging Thing and it changes, I'll just have to go deeper...

Well said, Dulce.

Xan

Greetings..

Originally Posted by DulcePoetica

anytime I think I have found The Unchanging Thing and it changes, I'll just have to go deeper. The quest itself is precisely what will force me to let go of ideas and beliefs that prove themselves to be non-existent.

Brilliant!! it is the 'road less traveled', simply because there is no destination.. journey well!

Be well..

[Gem]

It is rather imagined to be unchanging and it's a lovely sentiment the poem expresses.

[Xan]

That there is the unchanging, the eternal, the perfect, may seem only imagined... until one experiences it for themselves.


Xan

Originally Posted by Xan

~The things that change are not our real life. - Bawa Muhaiyaddeen, Sufi Master~

Here's another bloke with unresolved issues.
Why do they carry on about this temporal physical existance, claiming it doesn't exist, or it's false, an illusion?

[Xan]

Ah but AC... I don't hear him saying the temporal life doesn't exist... but underneath it all there is a More real life. It can be discovered by anyone.


Xan

[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by Xan

Chrystaeos: ...if we can become one or 'have' to become one with 'that Unchanging thing' we are left with the question why it wasn't 'one' in the first place.
It was 'one' in the first place, and more Real than real... we just forgot to notice for a long time.
Now it's coming back to us. "Oh yeah, Now I remember." Xan

Being in a state of 'Real' and then forgetting it does not explain the why's and how's.

Also, would you say that even if one has reached that place, one can still go back to the previous place?

Even that which you consider 'unchanging' may also be changing at some level..

Originally Posted by Xan

That there is the unchanging, the eternal, the perfect, may seem only imagined... until one experiences it for themselves.
Xan

As soon as you are back to your thoughtful mind, you translate the experience to words and come up with eternal and perfect..

[Xan]

Chrysaetos: Being in a state of 'Real' and then forgetting it does not explain the why's and how's.

True enough, Chrysaetos. There are many speculations about the why and how of forgetting, but who knows for sure? I spent some years trying to uncover this because I thought it would show me the way back. I finally gave in up in favor of just doing practices that reveal it in my awareness.


Also, would you say that even if one has reached that place, one can still go back to the previous place?

Yes, in the beginning process of awakening we discover the open space of the Real in glimpses and then fall back into our established mind habits. As we continue in our practice and letting go of those habits our glimpses increase until the knowing becomes continuous. Even then there is an ongoing process of deepening and discovery.

I've heard there are those rare ones who get 'sudden enlightenment' but for the rest of us it is gradual.


Even that which you consider 'unchanging' may also be changing at some level..

As I experience it, the infinite still source and essence of all things is never changing while its expressions are ever-changing.


As soon as you are back to your thoughtful mind, you translate the experience to words and come up with eternal and perfect..

For sure, we use the mind to communicate about something that is actually beyond the mind and indefinable, but we point toward it so others might take notice. There does come a point when we no longer fluctuate but use the mind's capacities from a background of continual whole awareness.

My view is that most people have glimpses of the silent open space of the Real but since it doesn't seem like anything useful they skip on over it. By pointing toward it perhaps next time they'll stop and think, "Oh That's what they mean."


Xan

Changing and unchanging are opposites and of duality, of concept, of thought.
It is both, it is neither, it is meaningless.

"It is this." "It is that."
It is a house of cards bound to fall.

Nothing left but laughter.

[Xan]

Changing and unchanging is not the meaning of duality which is about subject and object, observer and observed, being separate and apart.

Rather, we can be aware in the never-changing essence and its ever-changing expressions simultaneously since they are what make up 'me'.


Xan