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28-07-2017, 12:08 PM
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[quote=ketzer]
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Originally Posted by Moondance
Hello Moondance
What I am getting at is the inherent conflict in the concept of seeing through the ego and realizing all is one and the ego is not the self. If the ego is the minds concept of self, then can the mind conceptualize that it is not the self without also conceptualizing something else that is doing the seeing (conceptualizing). If so, then is this not the minds new concept of self (i.e. a different phenomenal self or another type/form of ego which it is now seeing as self)? In other words, there is an inherent duality in a seer that sees through the phenomenon, there is both a subject (seer) and an object (phenomenon - ego in this case), two things, not one. Can oneness be aware of itself as one or must it first create a separate self (subject that is aware) to be aware of other things or concepts (objects of awareness)? Can the universe be aware of itself without first creating a set of eyes (from itself) through which to look at itself with? Can the universe be the cake and eat it too? Apparently, but how.....IDK.
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For a moment think of Oneness as a kind of creative Life-force or creative ground (though don’t take that too literally.) Anything that can be conceived of is always already downstream of that creative ground. If the machinations of the limited human intellect conceives things as subjects or as objects or as raindrops or galaxies, there is, by default, already participation in/as the creative ground in order for that to occur.
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