The Lords evening meal emblems

[keiw1]

Oh good, I recieve Communion so a throan must be available for me [/quote]


imagine that. none of the great crowd will leave this earth-Prov 2:21-22, Matt 24:21-22-- All of the great crowd believe Jesus who teaches--John 17:3--the one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- Few believe Jesus over the errors in their altered translations.

[keiw1]

And, by the way, ‘little’ if anything is not numerical….a true meaning would be “little in ego”…..ones that are truly humble….they have the ability to recognize God….[/quote]


The little flock are numbered=144,000 bought from the earth, to sit on thrones as kings and priests by Jesus' side=the anointed bride of Christ.
The great crowd,( Rev 7:9) no man can number, they are the other sheep who are not of that fold-John 10:16--these are promised to live on earth forever-Psalm 37:29, Matt 5:5, Prov 2:21-22

[sky]

Originally Posted by keiw1

Oh good, I recieve Communion so a throan must be available for me

imagine that.Few believe Jesus over the errors in their altered translations.[/quote]

Yes we are all free to use our 'Scriptural' imagination....

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by keiw1

The little flock are numbered=144,000 bought from the earth, to sit on thrones as kings and priests by Jesus' side=the anointed bride of Christ.
The great crowd,( Rev 7:9) no man can number, they are the other sheep who are not of that fold-John 10:16--these are promised to live on earth forever-Psalm 37:29, Matt 5:5, Prov 2:21-22

It seems most Christian faiths are not aware of those facts.

It appears your religion started becoming aware of that in the late 19th century. The Westcott and Hort 1881 text seems to have been the catalyst that brought this to the surface. Some of your faith's translations indicate that this text was the main text used for your New Testament translation. Today, there are other texts that are also used for translations. There is a possibility you might see other Christian faiths becoming aware of this information. But then, there are some scriptures that seem to indicate this will not happen.

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

It seems most Christian faiths are not aware of those facts.

It appears your religion started becoming aware of that in the late 19th century. The Westcott and Hort 1881 text seems to have been the catalyst that brought this to the surface.

Other Christians Faith were 'Aware' way before 1881. Myles Coverdale was a Christian .
Obviously His Translation is written in Old English which can be a bit difficult to understand for some but it's easy to get the gist of what He's written regarding Rev: Chapter 7...


https://www.bibliatodo.com/en/the-bi...e/revelation-7

Originally Posted by BigJohn

It seems most Christian faiths are not aware of those facts.

Big John,

If these are facts rather than symbolism then logically they should be of little interest to practicing Christians. 144,000 is a specific number which means that God already knows each and every one of this elite group….it has already been predetermined so it is not something we can aspire to join. That number in relation to the number of people that have lived on earth is very relatively small. Having been chosen for this group is akin to winning the lottery.

If one begins to accept predetermination then the Scriptures become meaningless. Any efforts, on our parts, would be in vain. The decisions would have already been made……

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky

Other Christians Faith were 'Aware' way before 1881. Myles Coverdale was a Christian .
Obviously His Translation is written in Old English which can be a bit difficult to understand for some but it's easy to get the gist of what He's written regarding Rev: Chapter 7...


https://www.bibliatodo.com/en/the-bi...e/revelation-7

Westcott and Hort text is used by Bible translators. The Westcott and Hort text was not written in English just as the other texts used for Bible translations are not written in English.

To me, it seems Kiew1 is expressing uniqueness that his religion uses to differentiate themselves from other.

I find his religion very interesting. The Millerites influenced them very much and so did the 7th day Adventists which came from the Millerites.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Big John,

If these are facts rather than symbolism then logically they should be of little interest to practicing Christians.

Kiew1 ties the 144,000 with the Lord's evening meal emblems. He also made a big distinction with the 'great crowd'. The Second Great Awakening pushed to the forefront these concepts and other ideas. People began having a better understand of the Bible and the roles they can play as the promises that were made in the Bible come to fruition.

It amazes me of the various religions that came out of the Burned-Over District.

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

To me, it seems Kiew1 is expressing uniqueness that his religion uses to differentiate themselves from others

Each Religion has its own 'unique' set of principles and beliefs, JW's are no different. Imo. The Major World Religions are each very unique, with their own Holy Scriptures, their own distinct practices and their own separate worldviews.... but they also agree sometimes...

[Maisy]

Some believe Revelations is about what will happen in the future. It also has incredible precise detail. I won't go into all the details about all the events that are supposed to happen in the future as one can look it up but it's a huge amount of stuff. For this to be true, or "going to happen" it means the future is pre-planned in incredible detail. If all of these events are going to happen in the future, it means there is no real freedom or free will. It means everything is pre-determined.

A simple example:
Revelation 7:10
KJ21
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our God who sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb!”

The "they" that have been said to cry this out at some point in the future have to say this in the future for revelations to be true. It is known now what they will say in the future. This means we are like robots, or the future already known, what people will say word for word in the future. This is known in advance!

Imagine if I knew everything you would say and do next year or 10 years from now today. That would mean you have no freedom to do or say anything else. That would mean everything we will do and say is pre-determined (if it can be known before it happens.) If it is pre-determined, it means there is zero free will or real choice. So to believe revelations is about what is going to happen, I think that means you are basically asserting everything is pre-planned and choice doesn't actually exist. We are like robots saying and doing things that have already been set in stone.

I'd add not all Christians believe Revelations is about the future.

Most Christian interpretations fall into one or more of the following categories:

Historicism, which sees in Revelation a broad view of history;

Preterism, in which Revelation mostly refers to the events of the apostolic era (1st century) or, at the latest, the fall of Jerusalem or the Roman Empire; Like saying "the beast" was a reference to Roman emperor Domitian (AD 81–96) or like how some believe The beast with seven heads and the number 666 seems to allude directly to the emperor Nero (reigned AD 54–68)

Futurism, which believes that Revelation describes future events (modern believers in this interpretation are often called "millennialists");

Idealism/Allegoricalism, which holds that Revelation does not refer to actual people or events, but is an allegory of the spiritual path and the ongoing struggle between good and evil.