What I believe full enlightenment is

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Originally Posted by r6r6r

I believe all we experience is our true self. It is all true.


We may not like some of it or we may say, oops I spoke in error or made a mistake, but it is still our true self as long as we choose to behave this way or others.


Ex, I recall once at an outdoor music gathering, I got sort of excited and was screaming or screeching louder ---oooohhheee!!!--- than the muscians with their musical intstruments, and those muscians immediately became subdued to some degree with the amplitude of their energy output.


After maybe 20 seconds they regained their momentum and got back to their original output.


My loud out burst reminded me of when I was an 18 year old fresh out of the city and out in the country with cows and horses and pigs etc.


Anyway, a friend of my was there and the next day, she was saying to some other friends, that, we heard the real me come out at that party.


My thoughts were that, yes that outburst was the real me, but all the other ways they experience me are also the real me.


My outburst was just not common part of me that I express very often, but did more so when I was 18.

Hey R6


This is why I said in another post that I don't tend to like using such terms ordinarily, it just opens up a can of worms. I agree in that it's all true in the same way it's all real but when there is a conditioned self running around like a headless confused, lost chicken, then there is a difference between that and being centred with an awareness of self that isn't. This is what I refer to as our true state of self and this state is what we revert back to eventually .

The natural state, the true self, it's all the same in a roundabout way and like said I am not that happy myself with these types of terms but I was happy to use them in the context of my post to explain a point made. Please forgive me :)



x daz x

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Originally Posted by Anne

Facing demons here; I like the imagery of the phrase ‘stirring the barrel of consciousness’.

Just yesterday I was thinking that 50+ pages of this thread read like shooting fish in a barrel. Easy targets for those inclined to put down other’s beliefs.

I’ve tried to reside in the bliss and silence, and will always be an observer. But I’m not sure it is sustainable, or can always be a permanent state of being.

I see I am gravitating toward Altair’s posts, and the pragmatic approach, while paying close attention to past life activity currently discussed.

There is part of me that needs to keep a foot in this world, and letting go of everything doesn’t do me. I trust my thinking.

Nice to hear your voice from the sidelines Anne ..

Letting go of everything is a bit of a red herring from one perspective so don't lose any sleep over it. I think in certain spiritual circles, you are most superior in you float around pretending to have no attachments

I certainly don't lose any sleep being attached to loving other's or having a few beers on a saturday night


x daz x

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Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Time has no real meaning...it is more the eternal impact and presence of all we are and all we do. The being and doing. That's why I speak to repentance (getting right-aligned, making amends), remorse, forgiveness of self AND others, and reaching out -- often time and time again, even over many lifetimes -- so that reconciliation and real healing is actually possible for all parties. That's where it's at, as they say.

Hey :)

This is important to digest because many I have spoken to feel that Self realization has no cause because people spontaneously just awaken or transcend mind and self.

They fail to see the process because they are only looking through a small window of linear time with limited awareness.

There is so much that 'stops' us from realizing what we are, that is in a way also why a peep can sit crossed legged on a mountain top for 20 years and get nothing but piles for his efforts.


x daz x

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Originally Posted by 7luminaries

However...the lack of integrity you have been addressing with others in their day-to-day lives (which is still so common in humanity today) really nearly did me in. That is, the gap between the kindness & support in spirit and the near-constant unkindness, loathing, and/or pointed apathy IRL at that time for many years, really shattered me in the end.

This was partially discussed at my spirit circle last night, everyone was saying the same in that the world has gone mad and you meet less and less kind and genuine people. I myself had 3 accounts of road rage this week where reckless individuals will risk lives just to get one car in front of you, several customers trying to blame me for their designers artwork being wrong, I had my boss trying to blame me for our processor in the studio for overheating and going bang, I had a car part specialist lie through his teeth and send me a car part that was not for my car and then refused to reply to my request for a refund and that's just the tip of the iceberg lol, I heard similar stories from other's at my group. If you read the news then boy o boy what a mess the world is ..


x daz x

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Originally Posted by 7luminaries

I'm sure you get the analogy I am making, but I wanted to spell it out, because we are really getting deeper into that undiscovered country for many folks So I wanted to underscore that when you speak of integrity in being and doing (regarding bliss OR any other aspect of existence), it matters. It really does. And especially, it matters to us and to those other souls closest to us. Not just emotionally and spiritually but concretely, physically, and literally & in other all ways...as the heart centre is present in all realms simultaneously (multidimensional). And as you note, the fallout from these deeply traumatic events, if not healed sooner, will only carry over to later...and may be even harder at that point in ways we cannot even understand.

I spoke about self enquiry yonks ago explaining the process of this 'stirring of the barrel of consciousness' and apparently depending on who you talk to, self enquiry means different things to different folks. To some it's just a one pointed focus where there is no thought about healing self aspects there is nothing else on one's mind but to push to the side everything .

I suppose this is why I don't agree with neti neti either, but at some point like we both say sooner or later things will resurface.


x daz x

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Originally Posted by God-Like

This was partially discussed at my spirit circle last night, everyone was saying the same in that the world has gone mad and you meet less and less kind and genuine people. I myself had 3 accounts of road rage this week where reckless individuals will risk lives just to get one car in front of you, several customers trying to blame me for their designers artwork being wrong, I had my boss trying to blame me for our processor in the studio for overheating and going bang, I had a car part specialist lie through his teeth and send me a car part that was not for my car and then refused to reply to my request for a refund and that's just the tip of the iceberg lol, I heard similar stories from other's at my group. If you read the news then boy o boy what a mess the world is ..


x daz x

I totally agree with you and your spiritual circle.

So far this week, I have had one road rage incident where I stopped in a no-parking zone for about 30 seconds to get my invalid mother out of the car and put her in a wheelchair...I was not holding up any traffic, I was in nobody's way..however, because I was obviously "doing the wrong thing", I was beeped at and abused to hell and back...funny, but not ONE of them opted to take a picture with their mobile phone, record my license plate number and report me to the police...they just drove by, creating a LOT of idiotic noise.

The other incident I wrote about in this thread:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...6&postcount=33

Hindu people have a phrase for it...Kali Yuga...the "age of insanity".

The only way I can deal with it is to constantly remember that and understand that such people cannot help it... because they are very sick and there are so many seriously mentally ill people in the world now, there isn't enough facilities or services to help everyone, so they are allowed to roam free... because there is really NO other alternative.

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Originally Posted by 7luminaries

LOL...hahaha...the mind isn't going anywhere -- may as well awaken it and put it in service of the awakened heart, so one can going on the journey with sure footing ;)

Well I suppose the best peeps can hope for is some temporary relief from life.

This in itself reaps benefits but if your doing so just to escape something then like said, things come back to haunt you ...

There is much truth to out of sight out of mind, when I didn't miss my folks when they passed over, I wasn't visibly upset. The minute I thought of them, I was, so it's easy to do the maths here, but just because I wasn't consciously thinking of them 24/7 didn't mean that there was no grief in my heart still. The energy you carry forever until it is no longer there ..

This is why trying to observer the thinker as a way of being somehow elevated only lasts as long as your mind is off the thought of oneself. It's like putting your finger in a leaking dam, you can only do that for so long :)


x daz x

[muffin]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Hey :)


If everything that I spoke about finishes with or starts with a direct self reference when I speak about bliss or Self or aliens or elementals etc, perhaps won't go down too well, I suppose it's a no win situation where you can't please all . Like said to JB, when I do start to talk about experience peeps don't believe me anyway .. what an odd world we live in now





x daz x

Good afternoon daz

It's what it means to you, got nothing to do with anyone else

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I totally agree with you and your spiritual circle.

So far this week, I have had one road rage incident where I stopped in a no-parking zone for about 30 seconds to get my invalid mother out of the car and put her in a wheelchair...I was not holding up any traffic, I was in nobody's way..however, because I was obviously "doing the wrong thing", I was beeped at and abused to hell and back...funny, but not ONE of them opted to take a picture with their mobile phone, record my license plate number and report me to the police...they just drove by, creating a LOT of idiotic noise.

The other incident I wrote about in this thread:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...6&postcount=33

Hindu people have a phrase for it...Kali Yuga...the "age of insanity".

The only way I can deal with it is to constantly remember that and understand that such people cannot help it... because they are very sick and there are so many seriously mentally ill people in the world now, there isn't enough facilities or services to help everyone, so they are allowed to roam free... because there is really NO other alternative.

I think in many cases people just need to vent and rage because of how they feel inside, and there doesn't need to be much of an excuse to let rip on some unfortunate soul just going about their business ..

Something is definitely in the air at the moment and I heard someone say at the group about this radiation type of energy (don't quote me on this about it's origin and it's properties) because I wasn't listening, I was too busy having my ear bent from the lady next to me about her problemo's hehe but this energy seems to amplify anger for those that are already angry within themselves. It's like a purge for use of a better word.

My 3 weeks on complete bonkerdom seems to have just passed literally last night (touch wood) and I was reminded of a vision I had of my mum a month ago where she showed me a family of sea turtles swimming in the clam ocean .. Lots of symbols there for me, but not only is time speeding up (said loosely) the pace of life within that timeframe is speeding up too, where everything is wanted 'now' ..

I think this stress and pressure is part of the parcel for mr and mrs angry bird nowadays ..

In regards to your link, it beggars belief doesn't it ..

Things don't make sense anymore .. or they do but there is just a lack of common sense nowadays and a lack of thought for other's.


x daz x

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Originally Posted by muffin

Good afternoon daz

It's what it means to you, got nothing to do with anyone else

Yer I hear you Muffman, I suppose even the masters will argue their case in order to try and convey their thoughts ..

If no-one ever talked to other's about things then it would only be ever about 'me' ..


x daz x