How does one keep in Harmony ...

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Hey Amanda

If it can be true then it is true . If it doesn't apply to another then it will have no bearing but still remains to be true . If one is still connected and effected by past energies/influences that can go back so to speak millions of years by means of thousands of incarnations then they are not free to make conscious decisions based on their current position within themselves . This will reflect on their present state of harmony within also . One can feel at peace in the moment and yet not realize that this peaceful feeling is just a substitue for what peace can be like .

How can anyone stand up and say that they are not influenced by their past actions and doings . How does one know how much conscious free will one has at their disposal if they do not know themselves . It is by no means an accident that one's awakening entertains a process of self purification, transformation when one undergoes self evaluation / self enquiry and that is because certain realization only occur when one is free from past blockages that stem the flow of love .

You cannot contain fear on an energetic level or self hate for example and be totally free to be the self in a harmonious way . Self hate happens for a reason and self hate can be carried through from one life experience to the other until that energy is transmuted .

I have spoken of my understandings of this through sufferings had that were very much because of my awakenings / realizations had through self enquiry . What becomes apparent is that everything is perfectly orchestrated in one's life . Just because one is suffering gives the impression that one's life is not how it should be because of many many self related instances .

We are all at a point within ourselves for a reason right here right now . This doesn't mean that one is consciously aware of everything that one knows . At a point in time one can uncover the veil between knowing and not knowing and that point in time will be perfectly poised as like every beautiful process is that is of life ..

x daz x

Daz, broadly I agree.
I would add that sometimes we are simply where we are at right now because we have CHOSEN not to engage, not to grow, not to take the hard decisions in our lives and on our paths. Many come to the end of their lives and realise "the plan" they themselves designed was entirely different, but they failed to rise to their challenges repeatedly at the critical junctures...or that they could have taken a path away from behaviours and lifestyles that derailed them from their true purpose...but repeatedly they chose the easy way and indulged their violence or their lusts or their addictions...or as you say, their fears.

OR they have repeatedly and endlessly indulged their denial of their mortality, thus rendering huge chunks of their lives relatively devoid of real spiritual meaning and depth and love. But many like to deny this poignant aspect and live in never never land...where they can never grow up as they pretend to never grow old. How very, very sad, IMO. I'll paraphrase Socrates and say that the unexamined life is a life that has not been truly lived. Not in any meaningful sense.

Staying the course requires many hard choices and real work. Taking whatever comes your way is a sure path to nowhere in particular. So unless you know for sure that that is your "life plan" is to coast, then it seems the safest route is always to engage as fully and consciously and with as much integrity as you possibly can manage at all times.

It is unfortunately also true that sometimes some of us are damaged energetically during our lifetimes, i.e., at the soul level, and perhaps are not able to move forward as their own plan allows, directs, and expects. This may even require healing in the spirit world during life and/or between lives that they are or were not able to obtain and integrate here by themselves. If so, we need to be as patient and loving with ourselves and others who are not able to fully heal as we possibly can. Sometimes this still requires sending love & blessings from a distance, as damaged people can and often do damage others in any sort of human connection or exchange.

But for the rest of us, self-indulgence (materially or emotionally) and/or sloth and easy gratifications are much larger obstacles to living our soul purpose than we may think.
That is where the conscious engagement with our fears, needs, desires -- and more broadly with our core selves -- comes into play.
IMO we have to decide to consciously engage, including with ourselves and following all the way through and beyond and then continuing.

There is no way to ever know if now is the time to slack off and take it easy.
Outside prisons and clear constraints on the physical body, there is really no clear-cut way to know if this is just to be endured (and even in prison and in camps ppl can create lives of great spiritual beauty)...and thereby if we have an excuse not to engage in our lives and make the hard choices that are otherwise required of free men and free women.

Because our divine natures are free and intelligent, and engagement and conscious choice is expected of us as we "grow up" spiritually. Falling back on the plan as a reason to stay in our rut is just another crutch, just like drugs, drink, porn, hookups, and other forms of denial, avoidance, and generally disengaging from one's own life. But denying what's in front of their face and pretending it's not there is what children do. When we "grow up", a bit more is expected of us.

At some point one becomes aware and reaches the critical threshold of awareness that enables him or her to perceive the other incarnations. We usually perceive these as past incarnations.
Over time we sort through many of these most relevant lives...and over time we work through the lessons, consciously if we so choose. I would even say that this becomes a sort of near-default mode at some point.

Once you are at this place of default awareness (LOL), you can also choose your strategy "going forward"...whilst in the midst of any given lifetime. This is where the learning occurs...that is why we incarnate. I do what I want and need to do and am called to do spiritually, right here and right now. I choose my way forward. I don't have to wait till life's end or between lives. I don't have to wait to choose love or to alleviate suffering, and my divine imperative is NOT to wait. I am acting now. Consciously. And I am growing now. Consciously and not just unconsciously. I am aligning my soul and my spirit.

Acceptance is not in conflict with action. I accept what is not mine to carry or do or change, and I move on and take action in those areas that are mine to carry or do or change. But I don't have to tolerate what cannot be tolerated. Accept, release, and move on. Wherever I am not wanted or appreciated after honest effort and dedication of self, then my path lies elsewhere.

I think many can relate to worklife here...and frankly it holds in all areas of life. I can only appreciate what I can truly see, and the same holds for others. But if others don't care to see, and many will not, then it's not my job to take them by the hand and show them. It serves many well in their minds to maintain the status quo and the power hierarchy in whatever domain, no matter how illusory and fragile the house of cards may be.

The universe seeks to provide a forum for learning but IMO it does not require we suffer needlessly. Once we have awareness of our limits and our tolerance, and have accepted whatever the situation holds, we endure only in extreme situations of love and connection. Otherwise we move on whenever possible. It's human nature. It's my nature as well...after all I'm human, I have human needs and boundaries both, and I'm not apologising for it. It's natural and right and respecting of my dignity to exit where I am not appreciated and nothing extreme requires my continued presence. Sounds good to me.

It can be argued there is a time for acceptance and a time for action and implementing conscious decisions. However these times can be one and the same. They may overlap for a lifetime or for many lifetimes. I strongly feel both aspects must be equally considered and stressed...IMO we must both accept and act in a conscious manner -- all toward the end of letting our true selves emerge in a way that is free and natural but tempered, focused, and clear. Not constricted, denied, hidden, and withheld. Not vague and unfocused and immature in the sense of unformed. I think this allows for that love within you mention to circulate freely from one heart to another in any place and time.

In the end, though, my point is that REGARDLESS of what is past or what has transpired here or elsewhere, we can heal. We can choose our own paths. We can forge new directions. We can rise above. We can choose love over fear, compassion over hate, kindness over cruelty. Sometimes these choices are hard. We all need to be lionhearted...strong, fearless, vulnerable, and loving in the face of fear, hatred, persecution, suffering, and general adversity within and without. And at some point, I believe that we all will be

Peace & blessings,
7L (Amanda)

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by sound

Daz … thank you … that’s such a nice thing to read after logging on … likewise Its difficult ... on those occasions when I experience a lack of harmony on the boards here (centred around myself) for whatever reason, I am left with a feeling (for a while) that the whole community tags me as a trouble maker … it doesn’t last, but, needless to say, its not that pleasant lol …

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Your welcome .

I think that we are all having relationships of a kind with everyone that we converse with on the forums and as with life some relationships are more testing than others (lol) .

Originally Posted by sound

Yes … what I have come to realize is that I can get caught up in the ‘seeming’ relevance of the disharmony, which I don’t even identify as such at the time … its not so common these days but yes, I have discovered that disharmony can cause incredible turmoil, and has a domino effect on all our ‘facets’ … on some other ‘level’ we resist it because perhaps we know that it is debilitating to our inner and outer health … that’s been my experience anyway … if we can allow our mind, spirit and body to ‘agree’ we are cooking with gas I reckon It is interesting because, like Xan so often promotes, letting go is key, however, whatever it is we reveal during that process which leads to ‘letting go,’ is also gold …

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It's easy to get caught up in anything whether it be positive or negative in nature, it's just as important so to speak in letting anything flow just as it's about letting it go . I am sounding like a broken down record lately when I speak of processes that are of life and it can take the romance out of life if you get my meaning but I agree with what you have said in regards to what is revealed during the processes which is gold _ because it is similar to the search for self as in some may say that it is pointless searching but what lies within the search cannot be experienced unless one searches .

In the same vain one cannot experience what it's like to get caught up in energy if one is letting energy go and flow . There is much to experience / learn / acknowledge whilst one is seemingly blocked / trapped / caught up in whatever .

Each process within / of life has a cycle and each cycle can be completed eventually to perhaps begin another cycle whilst one is of the mind . .

x daz x

[7luminaries]

I have come to the realisation lately that I needed to vent my unharmonious feelings.
So out of respect for the thread at hand, I took them elsewhere on the forums.
Warning : Do not peruse my posts elsewhere of late if you are looking for harmony
I also took a rod from Gabriel, which I have shoved up my spine for strength. It is spiritual adamantium

I have just read a very kind post from Smiler on another thread which was lovely and re-centred me a bit.

Back in my mystical frame...and in thinking on the universal aspects of strength and love...

Harmony is, from one perspective, a careful balance of strength and love.
This balance is personal, interpersonal, and Divine...

The two archangels Michael and Gabriel (from Kabbalah 101) represent these traits in the same relationship as yin and yang...
where each gives rise and contains the essence of the other.

Gabriel represents strength and awe...also severity and discipline.
Boundaries, limits, and channels.

Michael represents love and compassion...also tolerance and kindness.
Expansion, penetration, and flow.

Gabriel's strength comes from love...and ultimately of course from the Divine.
Michael's love comes from strength...and ultimately of course from the Divine.

The mystery of this balance and of this eternal dance yields true harmony.
In the life of the individual, in our connections with others, and in our connection with Spirit.

Cheers to all
7L

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Daz, broadly I agree.
I would add that sometimes we are simply where we are at right now because we have CHOSEN not to engage, not to grow, not to take the hard decisions in our lives and on our paths. Many come to the end of their lives and realise "the plan" they themselves designed was entirely different, but they failed to rise to their challenges repeatedly at the critical junctures...or that they could have taken a path away from behaviours and lifestyles that derailed them from their true purpose...but repeatedly they chose the easy way and indulged their violence or their lusts or their addictions...or as you say, their fears.

Hey :)

Yes at times we choose not to engage in certain instances because one is recuperating for example and yet at times one engages when one isn't ready too (lol) there are so many swings and roundabouts I would say because one can choose to do something in the first instance (prior to incarnation) and then decide against whatever that maybe for a many a reason when time comes to pass .

Consciousness allows many choices for the individual to entertain simultaneously even if they are conflicting / opposing one another . This is what many people refer to as being in two minds (lol) and yet the self will be of one mind . Nothing is wasted nor is anything that's path related necessarily right or wrong but when the self is known the understandings of such life experiences becomes apparent



x daz x

[7luminaries]

Daz on the general level...everything you say makes sense.
As does everything I say.
We are not in agreement in all areas...though not necessarily in direct opposition either.
But how would one go about reconciling all this ?
Or even understanding what all these rather abstract concepts really mean?
How would we explain it to another? Or to each other even?

IMO, there is no way but taking it on the specific level of the individual and speaking from your own experience.
That's what I was doing. Speaking from experience.
What about you? What is your perspective from your individual experience?
Are you recuperating at present, or are you engaging too soon in sth?
How do you feel your outlook and your current position on various aspects in your life relate to where you find yourself on your path?
Are these aiding you in your recuperation or in timing your engagement in a, b, or c?

We are all here in this life, this existence.
The time to engage in life is always now. What better time is there?
Life is short, and this is time we have. This moment.
There is no next lifetime in the larger span of it. All times are now.
Someone can postpone "the plan" forever no matter the number of opportunities.
(Eventually I assume they are given a kick in the bum by Spirit, LOL...)
Another can run with it right now, whatever it is, versions a, b, c, or whatever.
This is where it becomes clear and real for you. For each of us.
When you come to earth and learn how to walk.
Spirit already knows how to soar, after all.
The challenge is to do that same thing in our incarnation with both feet on the ground, moving forward.
Flying whilst deeply grounded.
Can be described as a miracle, but it is inherent to our existence.

As a fellow healer, I recommend large infusions of earth and water elements to help people ground and flex.
So they can move forward from a place of security.
And roll with the changing tides.
These go hand in hand with the strength and love I mention in my other post.
Earth is associated with strength and water with love.
The heart and the soul need both for harmony and balance.
That would be you, me, and everyone else, at their core.


Peace & blessings,
7L (Amanda)

[jorddy]

light kills dark, dark breeds infestation, light breeds health.
Positivity is light, dark is negativity. Your energy is your lifestyle. Your lifestyle creates your world, your world is but a reflection of your inner one.

In other words Jordy if you don't see it as bad it's not bad Karma, yes?

[jorddy]

Exactly. Your actions are created by your intentions. Karma is but the energies you are propelling.

Read A Course In Miracles, maybe?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Daz on the general level...everything you say makes sense.
As does everything I say.
We are not in agreement in all areas...though not necessarily in direct opposition either.
But how would one go about reconciling all this ?
Or even understanding what all these rather abstract concepts really mean?
How would we explain it to another? Or to each other even?

I would say amanda that what is relevant to you is relevant to you . What is relevant to me is relevant to me . At times there is common ground between us because we have shared common experiences and because we are of like mind . Neither is right or wrong when we are functioning within a relevant reality because we are in a unique place within ourselves . Beyond what is relevant to daz or to amanda is what will be the same for all that is one . Getting beyond what is relevant one needs to work with what is relevant until it isn't .

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

IMO, there is no way but taking it on the specific level of the individual and speaking from your own experience.
That's what I was doing. Speaking from experience.
What about you? What is your perspective from your individual experience?
Are you recuperating at present, or are you engaging too soon in sth?
How do you feel your outlook and your current position on various aspects in your life relate to where you find yourself on your path?
Are these aiding you in your recuperation or in timing your engagement in a, b, or c?

I have spoken from experience and I have spoken of what is known within self realization . What is realized in an instant will apply to all of life scenarios . It matters not at that point if one has been recently in a war environment to know what is at the heart of an energy that is at war with another or in a battle of sorts with one's self . In the realization of self all is known in such a way where one can understand life as one (once one is aware / back in experience of it) .

I can and have spoken of my past / recent experiences that are of sufferings and are of joy but what is apparent is that one can suffer and not be aware of why one does until one knows self . For anyone to say they are free within self or within mind one will have to be consciously aware of what self is and to what freedom of self is .

When I came out of my self realization I came back down to earth like a lead balloon even though I thought I was already at peace and I was already happy . So what I thought was love and peace and joy was indeed not the case . In a way whatever one thinks that something is _ it is not . One can feel free without realizing what the taste of true freedom is .

This freedom is at the root of our ability to choose this or that, or should I say true freedom is beyond there being someone to choose this or that . Everyone can seemingly manoeuvre as they wish but they don't see what binds them .


How do you feel your outlook and your current position on various aspects in your life relate to where you find yourself on your path?

Great question .

I would say that what I have realized is that one has to unravel many self related aspects in order to have a true understanding of this .Where I am on my path at present is similar in likening to the aftermath of a turbulent storm . I have found my feet through experiences and realizations had .

There are many aspects coming together that is because of prior efforts / karmic ties / free will and the present moment .

What unfolds is because of many things but nothing is because of anything outside of self . In some way I don't feel completely free because I know I have a purpose . I am tied lovingly to a purpose and in a way that is a burden I am willing to carry/accept . It matters not if the purpose contains joy or whatever cos a contract is a contract .

I have tasted freedom and along with that I cared not if I carried out my purpose or not .

In a self Identity mode carrying out my purpose is one of the most singular important aspects of my incarnation .

See how the mind works . See how a shift in identification brings about what is relevant and what is not . The same purpose can hold relevance or not be it the case . it depends on who this "I' is that it holds any relevance too .

I am daz I am God I am nothing I am everything . I am worthy I am not worthy . My purpose is important my purpose is not important . To whom is anything important too? It can change as often as the direction of the wind that blows .

Weeeeee_Weeeeee round we go .

Sooo :) in the moment one can only ascertain what is self related by one's own understanding of who or what this self is in that moment .

Past experiences had that involved emotional and mental sufferings for example was experienced in relation to what I thought was my self to be and what I thought was love to be in relation to what I felt in that moment . What I experienced was necessary but after my realizations I understood that I was not strictly in a mindset that could allow self to the fore that would of allowed me to experience what I did in any other way other than how I did . This is the process of experience and realization . The realization doesn't normally come prior to experience because experience brings forward the realization which brings understanding to experience .

If the realization comes prior to the sufferings then one would not suffer in the same way .

I keep on banging on about processes lately . Life is one big fat process . :) with extra cheese ..


x daz x