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25-01-2019, 02:59 AM
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are you happy with da sin, apolageticaly. jesus's just fine
::thumbs up::
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25-01-2019, 07:19 AM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2015
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[quote=Morpheus]
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Originally Posted by sky123
You are making a statement, unfounded. It's not truth simply because you say so.
If you're not going to go by the Bible, you have nothing to state regarding, JUDEO/CHRISTIANITY.
You have nothing to go by other than your subjective, (and errant), belief, you see.
Yet? You seem to want to cite the Bible to fit your subjective belief.
The New Testament, ( covenant), takes precedence over the old.
A fall is clearly made evident in the Bible.
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I am merely pointing out that the Genesis Story/Myth can be found in Ancient Civilisations , that is most definitely true as the evidence is written in stone found by Archeologists.
A fall is mentioned in the bible but also in other Civilisations, people try to put into words how they perceive the world around them, our Ancestors didn't have Science to aid them so they probably sat around the fire and told stories that would have been added to, elaborated and passed from generation to generation.
The bible is the same, a story/history book, it is not to be taken literally.
' St Augustine's theory
St Augustine, who largely devised the theory of original sin, thought that original sin was transmitted from generation to generation through sexual intercourse. Augustine did not say exactly how this happened.
He said that it was transmitted by "concupiscence", when people had sex and conceived a child.'
I wonder how he came to this conclusion...
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25-01-2019, 08:27 AM
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Experiencer
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 342
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
But, it's in the Word that death came into all the world as a consequence of a fall. That Jesus also stated, "You must be born again"...
Also, consider what science today is telling us about the nature of, "the world".
Illustrated rather well by the Wachowski's in their cinematic creation.
Again, sin is not merely an act, or acts, but a situation which is the cause of those various acts. (I.E., the animal/mammal and organic nature wherein the "survival instinct" of the organic nature is primary.)
Think about reasons... and cause and effect.
Romans 5:12
"Just as sin entered into the world by one man..."
However, you seem to be ignoring my supposition about the original state of humanity before the fall. Which was a spiritual and "angelic" situation. And? Involving eternity and the timeless. A greater reality, situation, and truth.
Hence, "You must be born again". - Jesus
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Jesus was a human and some of his statements, if quoted correctly, were rather silly.
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25-01-2019, 04:56 PM
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put Christ back on earth and he's the fixer of all apologies
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26-01-2019, 06:56 PM
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Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Matrix
Posts: 6,575
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[quote=sky123]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
I am merely pointing out that the Genesis Story/Myth can be found in Ancient Civilisations , that is most definitely true as the evidence is written in stone found by Archeologists.
A fall is mentioned in the bible but also in other Civilisations, people try to put into words how they perceive the world around them, our Ancestors didn't have Science to aid them so they probably sat around the fire and told stories that would have been added to, elaborated and passed from generation to generation.
The bible is the same, a story/history book, it is not to be taken literally.
' St Augustine's theory
St Augustine, who largely devised the theory of original sin, thought that original sin was transmitted from generation to generation through sexual intercourse. Augustine did not say exactly how this happened.
He said that it was transmitted by "concupiscence", when people had sex and conceived a child.'
I wonder how he came to this conclusion...
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For one, the Genesis story may be found in various religions due to truth.
For another, in the 21st century science has a say also.
So again, I've been posting about the "angelic" in contrast to the organic aspect, and origins of humanity.
As well as the insignificance of time, and a greater reality of Eternity, and the Spirit.
"Most people are captured in the matrix of nature. Immersed in a sea of materiality..."
Abdul Baha
"Death is only an experience in which you are meant to learn a great lesson. You cannot die."
Yogananda
"Reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistant one."
Einstein
Etc., and so forth.
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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08-02-2019, 08:31 AM
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Master
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Location: The Matrix
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The evolved "animal/mammal, in "illusory" space/time, discussed in physics since Einstein, involves "the survival instinct" related with ego.
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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08-02-2019, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Morpheus
You ignored what I posted.
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I got it.
The Fall=Death and the material world
When humanity rises above the Fall=No more death or material world.
Only Peace Love Happiness in the Spirit.(For eternity)
Something like that?
Or matrix mind meld.
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10-02-2019, 04:26 PM
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Knower
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 99
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Originally Posted by EmergingPath
How much is actualy in the bible to support the concept of "original Sin" and what are the specific passages that that do?
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I think original sin is related to our past lives, what we bring with us from lifetime to lifetime that is unresolved from those experiences.
Thanks.
Brian
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10-02-2019, 04:40 PM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MChang
I think original sin is related to our past lives, what we bring with us from lifetime to lifetime that is unresolved from those experiences.
Thanks.
Brian
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Similar to Karma?
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12-02-2019, 07:48 AM
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Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Matrix
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Well MChang, however, if time is illusory we ought'nt view reincarnation in a sequential and linear sense.
Think?
Imthatim, yes, that's about right.
What do you think is the best way to come to a realization of our actual personage?
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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