Please know the true definition of a word before you think it it is true....

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

One has to consider this in the terms of philosophy and not Merriam-Webster.

http://objectivism101.com/Lectures/Lecture22.shtml

"The Primacy of Consciousness is the view, which Objectivism rejects, that reality is a product of consciousness. In this view, the world is a product of our minds, or the mind of some other being (god). It doesn't exist in itself. It exists as a "figment of your imagination". Like a concept or a memory, reality is said to exist as only a part of your mind. That means that you can change reality by changing your mind. Or another possibility is that you gain knowledge of reality by understanding yourself, or by introspecting. In either case, reality is said to not have it's own existence, but be just a product of your mind. If your mind ever stopped, like if you died, the world would die with you."

"The Primacy of Existence, which is the Objectivist view, states that reality exists independent of our minds. If we want something to happen, we can't just wish it to happen. We have to act. If we want to gain knowledge about the world, we have to look out at the world and reason with what we see. If your mind were to stop functioning as in death, reality would stay the same. This is where the adjective "objective" comes into play in "objective reality". It means that reality is not just a part of our minds, but exists as some outside fact that we can reference."



In short and from the viewpoint of objective reality consciousness is a product of the material world, specifically the brain. From the viewpoint of subjective reality the material world is a product of Consciousness. One posits space, time and matter are primary. The other posits there's only Consciousness.

Taking it one step deeper and from the Advaita viewpoint of subjective reality the material world is not a manifestation of what we perceive as individual consciousness, but of the one Consciousness.

You can call that objective reality if that makes you feel comfortable, however this isn't how it's used in the philosophical and spiritual context. Any agitation arising over the usage and meaning of words is a product of and within another manifestation of the one Consciousness, and that would be intellect which is then appropriated be ego. "I am right and he is wrong and why does he 'decieve to create illusions and ignorance by spreading/promoting false beliefs and false mental and emotional conditioning'".

And yes, the very same applies to this mind-body conceiving and typing this reply. It's what the mind-body does. The trick is to not turn it into a second arrow. To not take it personally. To realize this body and that body and all the baggage they carry are manifestations of the one Consciousness. While the subjective experiences of this body and that body are different the core subjective experience, the One subjective experience, isn't. That's the non-dual experience and yes, it is accessible.

This site is a little flaky just because in "The About" page it uses "scientism". That being said it's got a lot of great information and links on non-dualism.

https://thebiggestpicture.net/Nonduality

I had a lucid dream last night. First one since I ceased practices to induce them many years ago. They're really quite amazing and a great analogy for realization.

The objectivism part sounds like a play on the word Objectivism to me. The definitions for subjective and objective tells you it is a play on words.

Definition of objectivism
1: any of various theories asserting the validity of objective phenomena over subjective experience
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectivism

objective/objectivity means not based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions.
Subjective/subjectivity means based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions.

Ignoring the definitions for objective and subjective for personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions causes ignorance.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The objectivism part sounds like a play on the word Objectivism to me. The definitions for subjective and objective tells you it is a play on words.

Definition of objectivism
1: any of various theories asserting the validity of objective phenomena over subjective experience
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectivism

objective/objectivity means not based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions.
Subjective/subjectivity means based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions.

Ignoring the definitions for objective and subjective for personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions causes ignorance.

How does a word get into a Merriam-Webster dictionary?: https://www.merriam-webster.com/help...nto-dictionary

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

How does a word get into a Merriam-Webster dictionary?: https://www.merriam-webster.com/help...nto-dictionary

The universe and everything in the universe is good, people's false subjective beliefs or projections changes that for them.

Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good! And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.-Genesis 1:31

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The objectivism part sounds like a play on the word Objectivism to me. The definitions for subjective and objective tells you it is a play on words.

Definition of objectivism
1: any of various theories asserting the validity of objective phenomena over subjective experience
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectivism

objective/objectivity means not based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions.
Subjective/subjectivity means based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions.

Ignoring the definitions for objective and subjective for personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions causes ignorance.

Subjective experience is experience based on or influenced by false personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, judgments, or opinions.

[MikeS80]

Objective truth/reality deletes and reprograms false untrue subjective beliefs /mental and emotional conditioning.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The universe and everything in the universe is good, people's false subjective beliefs or projections changes that for them.

Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good! And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.-Genesis 1:31

I'm not sure why this (use of the word God) is even brought out in the point that was being made initially. Has it led up to this. The agenda to say God exists and is Good, intended to be some sort of rational about God saying God is objective. God probably did think it was a good idea even if it was not the best. Probably God is subjective to, it's not about might or power that means or makes objective being right.

[lemex]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Objective truth/reality deletes and reprograms false untrue subjective beliefs /mental and emotional conditioning.

Maybe one is suppose to see (objectively) the subjective stuff, like not do it as much as it happens in actions. Is there a purpose for subjective experience to become objective. It is part of the objective plan?

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The current dictionary's definition for objective is NOT based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions
The current dictionary's definition for subjective IS based on or influenced by personal feelings, beliefs, biases, tastes, or opinions.

I learned from the article that I linked to in my signature that the truth is: objective truth/reality is all there is. Objective truth can never be untrue at any time, place, or circumstance. Objective truth/reality transcends, time, space, and causation. Time and space create divisions. Since objective truth/reality transcends time and space, objective truth/reality has no limits or boundaries. Objective truth/reality is infinite, eternal, and indivisible, and all-pervading. Subjectivity is in time and space (mostly in the past), and has limits or boundaries.

You do not know absolute reality so all this is just your subjective opinion based on your personal beliefs.

Peace

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by lemex

Maybe one is suppose to see (objectively) the subjective stuff, like not do it as much as it happens in actions. Is there a purpose for subjective experience to become objective. It is part of the objective plan?

Bingo. I think that is true

How to know the Self when It cannot be objectified?

https://youtu.be/yb8ZA6xvAYA?t=385