I pray God to rid me of God.

[sky]

Meister Eckhart illustrates the height of western non-dualism. This is why he is largely impossible to understand with our usual dualistic mind. When Eckhart says, “I pray God to rid me of God,” our logical mind would see this as nonsense! It takes unitive consciousness to discover what Eckhart means. There is no concept of God that can contain God. Your present notion of God is never it. [1] As Augustine said, “If you comprehend it, it is not God.” We can only come to know God as we let go of our ideas about God, and as what is not God is stripped away.

Before transformation, you pray to God. After transformation you pray through God, as official Christian prayers always say: “Through Christ our Lord. Amen!” Before radical conversion, you pray to God as if God were over there, an object like all other objects. After conversion (con-vertere, to turn around or to turn with), you look out from God with eyes other than your own. As Meister Eckhart put it in one of his Sermons, “The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God’s eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” [2] All we humans are doing is allowing God to “complete the circuit” within us—until we both see from the same perspective. [3] This is the “mind of Christ” (1 Corinthians 2:16), which will be experienced as a “spiritual revolution” in thinking (Ephesians 4:22).

https://cac.org/meister-eckhart-part-ii-2015-07-16/

Originally Posted by sky123

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Very nice.

Thanks for sharing, sky123.

Jl

Originally Posted by sky123

Meister Eckhart illustrates the height of western non-dualism. This is why he is largely impossible to understand with our usual dualistic mind. When Eckhart says, “I pray God to rid me of God,” our logical mind would see this as nonsense! It takes unitive consciousness to discover what Eckhart means. There is no concept of God that can contain God. Your present notion of God is never it. [1] As Augustine said, “If you comprehend it, it is not God.” We can only come to know God as we let go of our ideas about God, and as what is not God is stripped away.

Before transformation, you pray to God. After transformation you pray through God, as official Christian prayers always say: “Through Christ our Lord. Amen!” Before radical conversion, you pray to God as if God were over there, an object like all other objects. After conversion (con-vertere, to turn around or to turn with), you look out from God with eyes other than your own. As Meister Eckhart put it in one of his Sermons, “The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God’s eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” [2] All we humans are doing is allowing God to “complete the circuit” within us—until we both see from the same perspective. [3] This is the “mind of Christ” (1 Corinthians 2:16), which will be experienced as a “spiritual revolution” in thinking (Ephesians 4:22).

https://cac.org/meister-eckhart-part-ii-2015-07-16/

Neti neti.

And

Mind of the mind. Eye of the eye. Ear of the ear.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Neti neti.

And

Mind of the mind. Eye of the eye. Ear of the ear.

I shall also do a totally unexpected of me thing here and correlate Corinthians with the Kena Upanishad:

""Not that which the eye can see, but that whereby the eye can see: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the ear can hear, but that whereby the ear can hear: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which speech can illuminate, but that by which speech can be illuminated: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the mind can think, but that whereby the mind can think: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore"". - Kena Upanishad 1:5 - 1:8

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I shall also do a totally unexpected of me thing here and correlate Corinthians with the Kena Upanishad:

""Not that which the eye can see, but that whereby the eye can see: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the ear can hear, but that whereby the ear can hear: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which speech can illuminate, but that by which speech can be illuminated: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the mind can think, but that whereby the mind can think: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore"". - Kena Upanishad 1:5 - 1:8

Oh my Gosh

I feel it

Thank you so much, Shivani Devi, O Thee Goddess

Jl

[Mystic Mark]

Originally Posted by sky123

Meister Eckhart illustrates the height of western non-dualism. This is why he is largely impossible to understand with our usual dualistic mind. When Eckhart says, “I pray God to rid me of God,” our logical mind would see this as nonsense! It takes unitive consciousness to discover what Eckhart means. There is no concept of God that can contain God. Your present notion of God is never it. [1] As Augustine said, “If you comprehend it, it is not God.” We can only come to know God as we let go of our ideas about God, and as what is not God is stripped away.

Before transformation, you pray to God. After transformation you pray through God, as official Christian prayers always say: “Through Christ our Lord. Amen!” Before radical conversion, you pray to God as if God were over there, an object like all other objects. After conversion (con-vertere, to turn around or to turn with), you look out from God with eyes other than your own. As Meister Eckhart put it in one of his Sermons, “The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God’s eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” [2] All we humans are doing is allowing God to “complete the circuit” within us—until we both see from the same perspective. [3] This is the “mind of Christ” (1 Corinthians 2:16), which will be experienced as a “spiritual revolution” in thinking (Ephesians 4:22).

https://cac.org/meister-eckhart-part-ii-2015-07-16/

Wow!!! It’s like there was something that I had been trying to figure out for a long time that I was able to figure out just by reading this one post.

That being said ...

Greatest post of all time!!! lol

Originally Posted by Mystic Mark

Wow!!! It’s like there was something that I had been trying to figure out for a long time that I was able to figure out just by reading this one post.

That being said ...

Greatest post of all time!!! lol

He’s amazing.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mark

Wow!!! It’s like there was something that I had been trying to figure out for a long time that I was able to figure out just by reading this one post.

That being said ...

Greatest post of all time!!! lol

Happy that you got something from it

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by sky123

Meister Eckhart illustrates the height of western non-dualism. This is why he is largely impossible to understand with our usual dualistic mind. When Eckhart says, “I pray God to rid me of God,” our logical mind would see this as nonsense! It takes unitive consciousness to discover what Eckhart means. There is no concept of God that can contain God. Your present notion of God is never it. [1] As Augustine said, “If you comprehend it, it is not God.” We can only come to know God as we let go of our ideas about God, and as what is not God is stripped away.

Before transformation, you pray to God. After transformation you pray through God, as official Christian prayers always say: “Through Christ our Lord. Amen!” Before radical conversion, you pray to God as if God were over there, an object like all other objects. After conversion (con-vertere, to turn around or to turn with), you look out from God with eyes other than your own. As Meister Eckhart put it in one of his Sermons, “The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God’s eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” [2] All we humans are doing is allowing God to “complete the circuit” within us—until we both see from the same perspective. [3] This is the “mind of Christ” (1 Corinthians 2:16), which will be experienced as a “spiritual revolution” in thinking (Ephesians 4:22).

https://cac.org/meister-eckhart-part-ii-2015-07-16/

What you quoted doesn't make sense to me, but I accept that it might be because of me, and I'm okay with not getting it. One's koan is another's oxymoron.

My question to you, and to those who enthusiastically received your post, is: if you don't understand something (like what Eckhart stated) how do you know it's right (he's right)? It is just a matter of faith you put in him, isn't it? Can't argue with faith ... People start wars to validate (impose) their truth (affirmed by their faith).

We experience what we believe. There is no objective reference, is it? So, nothing is dual!

Originally Posted by inavalan

What you quoted doesn't make sense to me, but I accept that it might be because of me, and I'm okay with not getting it. One's koan is another's oxymoron.

My question to you, and to those who enthusiastically received your post, is: if you don't understand something (like what Eckhart stated) how do you know it's right (he's right)? It is just a matter of faith you put in him, isn't it? Can't argue with faith ... People start wars to validate (impose) their truth (affirmed by their faith).

We experience what we believe. There is no objective reference, is it? So, nothing is dual!

I pretty much only affirm what I know for myself. Not as an experience, per se, it through spiritual insights...namaste,

Jl