Predatory Animals and Love

Originally Posted by Joseph123

Thanks, but I am approaching this from the perspective that we know that killing animals for meat is wrong.

Your ethics do not necessarily apply to the natural world. Nature is a subtle web formed from ultimately violent forces that form a balance. Our planet itself exists because of unimaginably powerful radioactive stars that can and do destroy countless things in the course of their lifespan. Biologically life is existent because of mutual giving and taking, animals kill and eat other lifeforms to grow and survive. Even our own bodies are constantly killing millions of bacterial organisms to prevent us from getting ill.

As creatures who have higher intelligence, we can reason and deduce a right and wrong from our environment; but that doesn't mean it operates by our own rules.

[psychoslice]

Well said Animus, well said.

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Well said Animus, well said.

Thank you very much, 'Slice

[Arcturus]

there's an old innuit ((?)(eskimo)) story of how the great mother reached into a hole in the ice and pulled out the caribou to feed the people. unfortunately the caribou grew weak and started to die off, so the great mother reached again into the hole in the ice and pulled out the wolf; the wolf hunted the weak, old and ill caribou and thus kept the herd strong and everyone thrived. predatory animals provide a service to that which they predate and vice versa. man also has predators---miocrobes and viruses, which also serve him when allowed to perform they duty. in fact we wouldn't be here if things like pneumonia never existed. it maybe an animals destiny to die, to be eaten, he/she may also gain from this sacrifice.

i do think humans will evolve to be vegetarian. after all we can adjust as we're not specialists, animals are; that's why they can die out. killing animals for food is wrong, if you can get your nutrition from elsewhere, but the meat or no meat debate is not cut and dry. it could be considered cruelty to the animal that is your body, not to give it what it needs to survive, and that could be meat, especially if you have a chronic health complaint.

all meat, if not hunted/wild, should be naturally and humanely reared, as should vegetables, which are sentient too. stay away from conventionally farmed food if you care for nature in any way at all. including cotton as well, which uses 25% of the worlds pesticides....more death and misery coming from conventional farming than anything else. also domestic polution is worse for animals and the enviroment than industrial polution, so think about what gets flushed down your drains for the fish to swim in! wonder if most folm who talk of animal cruelty even consider the devastating affect of persticides on nature. ---there's killing there, of insects, worms and hence birds and up..

[knightofalbion]

Animals are on their own evolutionary path. They learn and grow through positive association with humans, through example.

An animal soul will 'go through the mill' as a human soul will.

When the animal soul has learnt all its intended lessons, it's next step will be incarnation into the human sphere.

[God-Like]

Love is a mirror .

We all see difference within our reflection .



Whats that say about love .

Whats that say about reflection .

What's that say about difference .


x dazzle x

[Arcturus]

what could be made of this ::

The wolf will live with the lamb,

the leopard will lie down with the goat,

the calf and the lion and the yearlinga together;

and a little child will lead them.

The cow will feed with the bear,

their young will lie down together,

and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

The infant will play near the cobra’s den,

and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.

They will neither harm nor destroy

on all my holy mountain,

for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord

as the waters cover the sea.

Originally Posted by Joseph123

I know and understand that the true nature of human beings is love. I would have always made a similar statement about animals, given their propensity for love that is evident and because I have heard that love is their true condition, as well. Though, my conception has been troubled as I have begun to consider predatory animals. Any being killing another is certainly about the least loving act possible.

I would very much appreciate it if someone would weigh in on the matter. P.S. I would prefer if you not comment here if you are a person that does not believe that animals have souls.


Thanks

You say that the true nature of human beings is love (I agree) yet human beings kill animals for food. Why then doubt that the essence of wild animals is love. Don't they do what human beings do? The only difference between human beings and predatory animals is that human beings do not kill only to survive whereas predatory animals do.

If we stop eating meat because animals have feelings and respond to their environment, we should also stop eating vegetables:

"He [Cleve Backster] proved that plants perceive and react to human intentions. He was able to establish that human thoughts and emotions cause reactions in plants that can be recorded on a polygraph instrument. He did this with yogurt, various type of cultures, eggs - showing again and again that the world around us, specifically lifeforms of any type - have intuition, memory, and can respond to the extent of their form to human interactions and thoughts. Life responds to life - and all life forms are interconnected." https://www.facebook.com/PMHNDE

[Arcturus]

Originally Posted by Bluegreen

If we stop eating meat because animals have feelings and respond to their environment, we should also stop eating vegetables:

one must take in substance at present, so the "least sensitive", which are plants, are eaten first.

Originally Posted by vecta3

one must take in substance at present, so the "least sensitive", which are plants, are eaten first.

Who is to say that plants are the least sensitive? It could be that the inability to express 'feelings' hides how sensitive they are. Just a thought.

I have read that there are people who do not eat at all.