A question about twin flames.

[Maisy]

As I was reading some posts it seemed to me a lot of people feel a twin flame is an intense romantic connection. I was told a very long time ago that a twin flame is basically one soul that has been split into two. I always assumed that would be a way to advance faster as one was living two human lives at the same time. I also assumed and was told that twin souls typically become one again when they leave the physical world.

Has anybody else heard twin flames are two pieces of one soul? I tried looking for a definition of twin flames online and actually found a lot of romance definitions and had to do some searching to find the definition that it is one soul split into two temporally. But I did find that definition online. It was interesting so many sites I found never mentioned it. Some defined it as "a spiritual mentor" which makes no sense to me as why would I mentor myself? If my soul was split into two for this incarnation or many, I have no idea why I would want to meet them as I am them. I get soul mate though which is two souls that have grown so close they incarnate together and are like connected in a very strong way.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Maisy

a twin flame is basically one soul that has been split into two.

It originated from Plato's Symposium. Plato recounted Aristophanes saying humans were round and had 2 faces, 4 arms and 4 legs. They were strong and powerful and wild and unruly. Zeus feared humans would enter the God realm, so he split the people in two so they have 1 face, 2 arms, 2 legs - like us. Henceforth humans spent time looking for their other half.

The idea evolved and became a soul is split, and therefore seeks its other half to become complete.

[FallingLeaves]

I've actually heard this. I don't know what to make of it though because there is always one who is chasing and the other who is running, why would a soul that was split relate to itself in this way???? But I don't know... a lot of very weird things happen it would seem...

Personally I typically think that there are several soul mates, they each have different traits and attract in different ways. At different times one or more might show up in my life... From that view the 'twin' is just another of those soul mates, nothing more... the difference being that for whatever reason i end up spending a lot of time obsessing over her...

going to another post you made about 'creators' on the ego thread...

which i very much liked that post by the way

the bible says the 'creator' cursed the man and the woman in different ways because they had done what they shouldn't... the woman had three different curses if i remember correctly... one of them reads as making her 'desire' her 'husband'.... which desire doesn't keep going if it gets satiated so the curse implicitly says to me 'desire her husband, but never actually have him'. Which sounds exactly like what all us chasers are saying about our twin... we have this intense desire to be with them, but for many of us said desire is frustrated by the reticence of the twin... which means to me... this twin flame situation is just part of the social aspect of what was created to keep us on our toes. :twinkle:

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

I've actually heard this. I don't know what to make of it though because there is always one who is chasing and the other who is running,

Some seem to think of "twin flames" as some stronger than "soul mate" type romance. The belief souls can split their energy is pretty common in new age books. It allows souls to incarnate in two bodies at once, for faster experience and growth, or to remain in the astral world and incarnate on earth at the same time. But the energy splitting in these new age beliefs have nothing to do with romance or seeking "your" twin as the purpose in the splitting was not to reunite until the incarnation is over. In fact, in the new age belief, you are not really split physically. It is just one being or entity that is in two places (or bodies) at the same time.

Journey of Souls book says a "soul" can choose how much of it's energy it sends into an incarnation. Like a soul may be very advanced and send 10% of it's energy into a human body, or 5% into two bodies, and stay in the astral world at 90% doing things there.

If a soul left the human body, it would automatically be "one" in the astral world. It was never really two in the first place. It's like how modern physics says particles can be in two places at once. Space and distance is not what we think it is. Quantum physics says physical distance has no effect on particle connection.

The one seeking and one chasing is an interesting idea because both are one, the same soul. I'm not sure why one would crave themselves in some romantic notion. It's me I would be seeking, not some other being or person. One soul or conscious awareness in one body or two or five is just one to me.

Loving oneself can be seen as egotism or self-centeredness. But the "soul mate" idea makes more sense to me as far as a romantic love thing. I think "twin flame" is pictured as more intense than "soul mate" but I can't see why. No two people there, no two entities, just one that is living in two bodies at once.

I think the twin flame idea includes an idea two persons are formed when a soul is "split." But the person is the "ego" and not the true self. But then "true self" memories are usually blocked in an incarnation so one would assume they are the ego or person.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

the bible says the 'creator' cursed the man and the woman in different ways ...

My understanding is souls don't have a sex. Male and female is a human body thing. I can be female in one incarnation and a male the next. Someone said "can my Grandmother be my twin flame" in another thread and I still don't really understand the "twin flame idea" but according to the book "Journey of Souls" we have a group of souls we incarnate with over and over in different roles.

So say one has a "soul mate" or a soul one is very very close to, in one life they could be your husband, in another life your child, in another life you grandfather, or a life long very close friend. We incarnate in different roles to work on various lessons we need. But my guess would be a very strong love connection no matter what role they were in.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Maisy

So say one has a "soul mate" or a soul one is very very close to, in one life they could be your husband, in another life your child, in another life you grandfather, or a life long very close friend. We incarnate in different roles to work on various lessons we need. But my guess would be a very strong love connection no matter what role they were in.

yeah that is my understanding about soule mate as well... as far as the idea that we are genderless without bodies well you can be genderless with bodies... or you could be both genders with the same body at the same time. Ive actually done the latter... i didn't like it... a signature walk i had in some life was a reflection of that as far as I can tell... i'm not sure about the former although I can't conceive they wouldn't have done that to me at some point lol...

but to me gender is more about whether you align more with giving things out, or taking things in, than it is about physical bodies anyway. And it isn't an all or nothing proposition either, there are gray areas....

I've also lived a 'white' life where you can be everything and do absolutely anything you want... but the cost is you don't know what you want so what is the point? You end up just doing stuff for no good reason. So now I think there has to be some direction to things even without bodies although I couldn't honestly say what that should be.

[FallingLeaves]

i guess i should say, you know in some cultures one husband can have many wives?

If it were made so the husband couldn't be with all of them at the same time, then he might incarnate with different ones at different times, so that it would be 'normal' for him to think of having multiple beloveds that show up at different times. Meanwhile each female only has the one husband so it would be 'normal' for the females to think in terms of only have a single beloved they incarnate with at different times...

apply that to soul mates and you'll get the situation as I see it... so what I was trying to say before is that i feel like i have multiple soul mates. But to the blue girl or the orange girl, they would know about each other but they would only have the one soul mate - me....

that is why i could be serious when I counted the twin as 'just another soul mate' even though I guess none of the females would understand how i could say that? From their perspective there is only one.
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that said at times I've thought there was one soul mate that was more beloved than the others. And it isn't the twin flame I'm talking about here. But I had to go to a lot of effort to get them in my life, and still in the end here I am here, hurting and alone and wondering what I did wrong THIS time?

only thing I can think of right now is my whole approach of trying to get this to work out with someone is fundamentally flawed and I shouldn't be involving myself in it... which is the big reason I won't do as I'm being asked and just make myself quit thinking about the twin flame. It would be very hard to do and i don't feel confident that i'd be given any result i would actually want anyway and even if i did get something i wanted out of it I feel like that would eventually be torn out of my hands again anyway... so... i just don't want to go to tremendous effort over trying to get someone in my life if those are the going wages for it.

another reason Im not too enthused about trying to reach any of my soulmates at this point is i get into lives like this and everyone treats me horribly and there is never anyone to turn to. Then I dig myself out of it and choose one and it is fine for a while... but then eventually I'm back here with exactly the same problem. It is getting kinda old... and i sorta have this feeling if i gotta be here hurting anyway i might as well just sit here hurting and learn whatever lesson im supposed to get from that instead of trying to wish for something better. Again.

[Aldous]

https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...36#post1601836

https://od.lk/s/OV8xMTEzNTg5NDNf/spiritualtwin.pdf

[FallingLeaves]

i have 'telepathy' with someone, maybe multiple people? Or maybe the someone just playacting. Can't really tell.

I don't take it too seriously. I've only once allowed a reasonable conversation though... mostly 'she' is reduced to saying things like 'i love you' or 'beautiful boy'. I just don't trust that I'm not just making up a conversation with myself even though it probably isn't true lol... Although I suspect that some of the other thoughts I have are the 'she' populating my mind... as I've suspected for a long time that some of the stuff that goes through me isn't generated by my own brain lol... that is one reason I'm not 100% interested in getting rid of the stream of words entirely for all time, I'm kinda curious what is going to be said next?????

as far as the split soul theory, it just doesn't feel right. I suppose I could be wrong though?

[JustBe]

For me personally having walked through this ‘chase’ and the ‘running’ and the whole idea of twin flame as the ‘other half of you’. In my experience, through observing my own process, you’re chasing after your own perceived separation. It makes sense that so many different views of separation and suffering have been determined and made into various paths, but ultimately, as I see this, while you feel something is missing, are on the path of seeking to ease, heal or bring this into ‘wholeness’ there are those who dive into this stream/creation, to find themselves.

Separation is perceived, but for many it becomes ‘real’ in the sense of how strongly they believe and strive to bridge this. The deeper ones disconnect in this way, the deeper desires, needs and ideas become in how to end this.

This whole idea of division/separateness derived from humans (in their own division, separateness) modelling and reinforcing this in their offspring, add to this, societal reinforcement and your fate is sealed until you unseal it.

Humans are creators at the core, the closer you get to the core, aligning with this disconnect, the mind starts to imagine its own ideas of why this disconnect exists. The ‘creator’ in you seeks to bring itself closer to itself. It will imagine what it decides will serve and find this.

It’s also where the dance of intimacy with one’s self originates. Do I run from myself, from the emptiness beyond all thoughts ideas and beliefs? Do I chase after something outside of myself that will fill this void?

There is nothing wrong with the twin flame path, but if in your own delusion you continue to not surrender to yourself ongoing, it will bring you more problems than necessary. It’s the clinging to an idea that ends up causing more issues than necessary.