loneliness and the quest

[Unseeking Seeker]

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That’s a great improvement then David! Good for you!

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[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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That’s a great improvement then David! Good for you!

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Yah, says one who comes across as thinking-n-and-self-indulgently (IMO) feeling there's no 'call' for anyone to 'improve', cuz there's no one and therefore nothing to 'aim' to 'improve' in the first place. 'Bad' for you, self-embracing (without knowing or acknowledging he is doing so) smug one!


You posturing like you're ready and willing to really 'dance' to THE 'music'? I mean to anything other than your own 'tune'?

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Yah, says one who comes across as thinking-n-and-self-indulgently (IMO) feeling there's no 'call' for anyone to 'improve', cuz there's no one and therefore nothing to 'aim' to 'improve' in the first place. 'Bad' for you, self-embracing (without knowing or acknowledging he is doing so) smug one!


You posturing like your ready to 'dance'? I mean to anything other than your own 'tune'?

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The floor is yours David! I’m happy for you, that’s all. I have no urge to prove anything.

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[Altair]

Originally Posted by shivatar

I hear tales of sages and saints who go off into jungles and caves to meditate for years. Do you think they get lonely? or do you think that somewhere along the lines, you become your own company?

Prolonged isolation is unhealthy for brain and body. These people willingly make themselves go crazy..
If they also follow a poor diet and can't be a Sleeping Beauty then they make it even worse.

How is it spiritual living? Why would any of it be a necessity to live in peace and joy? I do not understand.

[Hologram8]

Originally Posted by shivatar

I hear tales of sages and saints who go off into jungles and caves to meditate for years. Do you think they get lonely? or do you think that somewhere along the lines, you become your own company?

If there is a part of me that can talk, and a part that can listen. And a part that can feel unloved, and another part that can give love. If there are all these parts, how come I don't feel in company with myself?

If there are all these me's, why do I feel lonely? Is it because you can't be your own company in reality? (you can be your own company in the mind and imagination, i know that) or am I maybe doing something wrong?

I try to be my own best friend -- what kind of evil hostile person do I want to deal with ? none
I am better off alone - show me someone who isn't evil and I may change my view -

there are a lot of healthy things you could do with your time

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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The floor is yours David! I’m happy for you, that’s all. I have no urge to prove anything.

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My Q was, Do you really wanna 'dance' - implicitly, with others who think, feel and see differently than you? That you are content to project what's 'inside' your own 'bubble' outward, as though there was nothing else that was as meaning-full, is what I am pointing to and critiquing as as being bubble-smugness. I already 'saw' that you have no other 'urge' than to 'bask' in it.

The floor belongs to 'us' all, Un-whatever! Happy for me? Pshaw, pretentiously condescending one!

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by shivatar

I hear tales of sages and saints who go off into jungles and caves to meditate for years. Do you think they get lonely? or do you think that somewhere along the lines, you become your own company?

These sages and saints want to meditate in peace without external distractions. These external distractions include the thought-forms created by other people. They still have to deal with all the internal distractions, including the desire for company. I suspect they may go through a phase of feeling lonely, but this would pass as they become more deeply absorbed in meditation. Eventually they find complete fulfilment within, and there is no need for the company of others.

But when you read about the lives of such sages, few of them are genuinely alone. Often they have a disciple or two who provide supplies. And people hear about the sage in the jungle and go to see him/her to receive blessings. But I suppose there are many who live completely alone, seeing no-one, so we never hear about them. And they transcend the need for basics such as food or sleep. Some may then return to teach humanity.

Yogananda describes visiting one such sage, Ram Gopal Babu, who said "For twenty years I occupied a secret grotto, meditating eighteen hours a day. Then I moved to a more inaccessible cave and remained there for twenty-five years, entering the yoga union for twenty hours daily. I did not need sleep, for I was ever with God. My body was more rested in the complete calmness of the superconsciousness than it could be by the partial peace of the ordinary subconscious state."

Peace

[Altair]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Yogananda describes visiting one such sage, Ram Gopal Babu, who said "For twenty years I occupied a secret grotto, meditating eighteen hours a day. Then I moved to a more inaccessible cave and remained there for twenty-five years, entering the yoga union for twenty hours daily. I did not need sleep, for I was ever with God. My body was more rested in the complete calmness of the superconsciousness than it could be by the partial peace of the ordinary subconscious state."

Yup... 6 hours a day to sleep and eat. Then even less with 4 hours a day for sleeping and eating. Insomnia and little sleep are known to lead to hallucinations and poor mental health. No surprises here. I bet he didn't grow any food there either, didn't hunt either. So what did he eat all this time? People brought food? But then it's a ''secret grotto''...

Alternatively, Yogananda is just talking out of his bottom or believes the ramblings of an isolated man that no longer knows what he is saying.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by iamthat

These sages and saints want to meditate in peace without external distractions. These external distractions include the thought-forms created by other people. They still have to deal with all the internal distractions, including the desire for company. I suspect they may go through a phase of feeling lonely, but this would pass as they become more deeply absorbed in meditation. Eventually they find complete fulfilment within, and there is no need for the company of others.

But when you read about the lives of such sages, few of them are genuinely alone. Often they have a disciple or two who provide supplies. And people hear about the sage in the jungle and go to see him/her to receive blessings. But I suppose there are many who live completely alone, seeing no-one, so we never hear about them. And they transcend the need for basics such as food or sleep. Some may then return to teach humanity.

Yogananda describes visiting one such sage, Ram Gopal Babu, who said "For twenty years I occupied a secret grotto, meditating eighteen hours a day. Then I moved to a more inaccessible cave and remained there for twenty-five years, entering the yoga union for twenty hours daily. I did not need sleep, for I was ever with God. My body was more rested in the complete calmness of the superconsciousness than it could be by the partial peace of the ordinary subconscious state."

Peace

Interesting story. Surely, it makes you wonder ... Why did we incarnate here? What are we supposed to achieve here? Do those physically removed sages really achieve more than ordinary people? I believe they might. On the other hand, the reality they create for themselves might be as distorted by their beliefs, as there are the realities ordinary people create, just in a different way.

I believe you don't need to separate yourself physically from the rest of the people, and I don't think it takes so long to get enlightened, if you step into the right path. If you aren't on the right path it will take for "never".

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by davidsun

Yah, says one who comes across as thinking-n-and-self-indulgently (IMO) feeling there's no 'call' for anyone to 'improve', cuz there's no one and therefore nothing to 'aim' to 'improve' in the first place. 'Bad' for you, self-embracing (without knowing or acknowledging he is doing so) smug one!


You posturing like you're ready and willing to really 'dance' to THE 'music'? I mean to anything other than your own 'tune'?

It appears your previous post fell right upon your own deaf ears..
Getting better with those that don’t want to dance, where is your non concerning new ways David?
I’m sure you are..��