What are all the verses saying the Father and Jesus are the same being?

Miss Hepburn · #1 08-12-2019, 12:15 AM

Are there more reasons or verses in the Bible that point to God and Jesus being different beings...
one, the Father/one, a child of the Father or son?
How many say they are the same being? Are there more of those?

I'm being lazy --asking others to find them, I know, sorry.

And discussion on the topic is fine.

inavalan · #2 08-12-2019, 12:58 AM

I'd suggest (hoping you don't mind) to not take others' word about it, written or spoken, but to get in touch with your inner higher source (through prayer or other form of inquiry), and ask. I'm sure you'll get the most trustworthy answer.

(Again, I made this suggestion with the best intentions.)

davidmartin · #3 08-12-2019, 02:17 AM

interesting, your list will be long-ish, but here is one from the Odes. This could pre-date even the gospels if the early dating is correct

Quote:

The Man who humbled Himself, but was exalted because of His own righteousness.
The Son of the Most High appeared in the perfection of His Father.
And light dawned from the Word that was before time in Him
The Messiah in truth is one. And He was known before the foundations of the world, that He might give life to persons for ever by the truth of His name

just to add some spice it says the Word was in Jesus not was Jesus

Miss Hepburn · #4 08-12-2019, 09:31 PM

You are a dear...I personally have no question.

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Originally Posted by inavalan

I'd suggest (hoping you don't mind) to not take others' word about it, written or spoken, but to get in touch with your inner higher source (through prayer or other form of inquiry), and ask. I'm sure you'll get the most trustworthy answer.
(Again, I made this suggestion with the best intentions.)

BigJohn · #5 08-12-2019, 02:21 AM

Do you really want Judaism and Christian scriptures?

sky · #6 08-12-2019, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Are there more reasons or verses in the Bible that point to God and Jesus being different beings...
one, the Father/one, a child of the Father or son?
How many say they are the same being? Are there more of those?

I'm being lazy --asking others to find them, I know, sorry.

And discussion on the topic is fine.

I personally feel Jesus is both God and Man, as we all are.
We have a Human Nature and a Divine Nature...

God becomes as we are ( Human) so that we may be as he is ( Divine).

ThatMan · #7 08-12-2019, 12:46 PM

I love this verse:

John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

sky · #8 08-12-2019, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatMan

I love this verse:

John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

I love,
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘ before Abraham was born, I am '
It's so deep.

BigJohn · #9 08-12-2019, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123

I love,
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘ before Abraham was born, I am '
It's so deep.

Why do you say "It's so deep"?

Common knowledge speaks of Jesus having a pre-human existence. Jesus was the first born of creation and everything else was created by him (Jesus). So of course, Jesus existed before Abram.

#10 11-12-2019, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sky123

I love,
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘ before Abraham was born, I am '
It's so deep.

sky123,

With multiple interpretations it is deep indeed. First in the thread about the I AM we discussed various meanings for the I AM up to and including the possibility that the I AM could be substitutionary for God and/or the Holy Spirit.

Secondly it is deep because of the whole idea Father Abraham......being viewed as the father of all the prophets, etc. In Matthew's gospel the lineage of Jesus that he presents starts with Abraham even though the lineage that Luke gives is traced to Adam. Adam, however, was discredited for precipitating the Fall......so Israel was more inclined to accept Abraham as the father of all. Jesus was speaking to those with this understanding......so he is clearly stating that He was before his father, Abraham.

It is also important to remember that God tested Abraham by asking him to sacrifice his first born son Isaac. Isaac understood that Abraham was taking him to witness a sacrifice to God. Isaac asked his father "where is the lamb for sacrifice" and Abraham replied...."God will provide the lamb". Abraham then placed Isaac on the wood and God intervened stopping Abraham. Abraham had passed the test. A ram instead of a lamb was found and was sacrificed. One of the appellations of Jesus, of course, is the Lamb of God. Jesus was the sacrifice of God's only Son. The way it works out is that the lineage of Jesus is evident in the church. Think of the other thread where we were establishing that the church is the body of Christ. Symbolically there is a lot wrapped up in those few words you provided.....:)